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I’d be massively shocked if a new building doesnt have a vertical riser through the basements. Have you gotten hold of the original electrical plans? They will show the cable path. The fire drawings should also show it.~3 years
It's the lowest form of politics...and up until recently, you were chair of the "lowest form of politics". Its leader, in other words.I was the chair of a strata up until 3 months ago when i sold and moved. Strata is the lowest form of politics, and it attracts the kind the people who shouldn't be living in proximity of other people.
What they're suggesting sounds technically correct, but extraordinarily complex. moa999's advice is sound. I'd also be considering exploring whether getting a power outlet run back to my own meter would be easier for the EC to stomach.
The lowest form of politics.
You start lobbying. You calculate the numbers you need and then you aim to achieve a number slightly higher than that, as contingency. You spend time working out the right narrative which is going to persuade people to your point of view. Being in strata is just like being in politics.Yeah, I'm well aware, not sure why you've come in with this condescending tone.
I've gotten 3 different quotes and have provided the OC with insurance and SWMS from the electrician I've chosen to do the installation. I've written up a long document detailing installation options and where the conduit will run including renderings and diagrams. The infrastructure to install a charger so it can be metered by the OC is over double the cost compared to what you'd pay for a house, which I'm happy to cover. Basically, I'm trying to do this the "right" way.
My issue isn't so much with the cost but rather even if we end up creating a lease agreement, I need 75% of owners (40 people) to agree to what is essentially a conduit run. If 75% of owners don't reply (not even say no) - I can't install the charger. The charger is on my property, and I'm offering to pay for the electricity use. So the only effect upon other owners is the extra conduit on the ceiling of the basement. If there is a way that avoids needing to go to a vote to all lot owners (as opposed to the elected committee, only 7 people) that'd be a lot easier to manage.
I mean execute a deed that transfers the ownership of the conduit to the OC after it's installed, so that instead of having to lease a section of roof to attach a conduit, the conduit itself becomes part of the common property (like the other risers and conduits etc that already exist in the building presumably are).What do you mean by deed the conduit? Do you have any examples I could point to to show the OC?
This is the exact thing I want to suggest. I'm happy for them to own it (similar to other utilities) even if I pay to install it.I mean execute a deed that transfers the ownership of the conduit to the OC after it's installed, so that instead of having to lease a section of roof to attach a conduit, the conduit itself becomes part of the common property (like the other risers and conduits etc that already exist in the building presumably are).
It does, but the electrical one doesn't end up in the basement. The comms one does and ends up where I want, but I don't think they'd want power run through there. Plus even if there was a straight run I believe we'd need it to be certified as fire-safe as it's going between floors and firewalls. Running off power already in the basement begins to seem like the far easier option.I’d be massively shocked if a new building doesnt have a vertical riser through the basements. Have you gotten hold of the original electrical plans? They will show the cable path. The fire drawings should also show it.
It’s my understanding, in NSW anyway, that by default any changes approved by the Owners Corporation to common property become the responsibility of the Owners Corporation unless a specific by law is written stating otherwise. I would contact your building’s Managing Agency for some advice regarding this point.This is the exact thing I want to suggest. I'm happy for them to own it (similar to other utilities) even if I pay to install it.
There is a big difference between easiest option for installation and easiest option for approval. Its likley you need to do the easiest option for approval and once you have that, go back with an idea that is easiest option for installation. As for fire wall and floor penetrations, they are not difficult. You will need either fire rated pillows (through existing peno’s) or fire rated caulking. Its unlikely your conduit peno is large enough for a fire collar. The existing conduit to the basement will guide you on the best method.It does, but the electrical one doesn't end up in the basement. The comms one does and ends up where I want, but I don't think they'd want power run through there. Plus even if there was a straight run I believe we'd need it to be certified as fire-safe as it's going between floors and firewalls. Running off power already in the basement begins to seem like the far easier option.
Yes, they do, but the building power objection is a red herring. Upgrades are absurdly expensive and usually not required. For example, my building has a capacity of 200kW and 96 parking spaces, so in theory only 27 home chargers of 7,5kW could use all its power. This won't happen though, for 2 reasons:The state Govts need to find a way to stop body corps objecting. The only large issue they should concerned about is if the building itself needs an electrical upgrade as it can't handle the extra amps from the charger(s). Then it's a question of who's going to pay for it.
Its where you need an integrated approach with smart devices that talk to each other thereby limiting the total draw. I think the tesla connector does this? Alternatively, body corporates could limit charging devices to no more draw than a household appliance (10amp power point)The state Govts need to find a way to stop body corps objecting. The only large issue they should concerned about is if the building itself needs an electrical upgrade as it can't handle the extra amps from the charger(s). Then it's a question of who's going to pay for it.
Eg. The simplest solution - let people connect to their own meter through a riser, or direct to a shared board - might work for the first five or ten cars, but then you run out of space in the riser, or ways in the board.