SidetrackedSue
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Sorry. I used the search function for The Guardian and I read back to Friday in this thread. Obviously it is much older news than that but I tried.Old news.
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Sorry. I used the search function for The Guardian and I read back to Friday in this thread. Obviously it is much older news than that but I tried.Old news.
Trucking also has a few non-trivial obstacles that cars do not.Agreed. IMHO it also means highways are farther in the future than thought and/or the Teamsters have "Union Joe" is their pocket.
Aurora is planning on driverless trucks Dallas/Houston in 2024. They do it with safety drivers today. Unlike some companies, they actually achieve what they say.
Do you know how? Chase vehicle? Multi-truck trains: single human for multiple trucks operating as a single unit? Something else?
... Then I guess you would have a truck stuck on the side of the highway and they would need to send someone to get the truck. ...
That's just it. A truck pulling over on the highway without immediately (IIRC within 5 minutes) deploying flares/cones/lights is illegal in every state AFAIK. I'd like to know how they manage to handle this failure mode without having a human already very close to the truck, or receiving a waiver from following that law.
That's just it. A truck pulling over on the highway without immediately (IIRC within 5 minutes) deploying flares/cones/lights is illegal in every state AFAIK. I'd like to know how they manage to handle this failure mode without having a human already very close to the truck, or receiving a waiver from following that law. Sending someone out to pick it up in the event of a failure doesn't work for trucks.
Well, I think the obvious solution would be to have a human in the passenger seat of the driverless truck. So it would still be driverless since there is no human in the driver seat. But there would a human riding as a passenger that could deploy flares and cones in the unlikely event the truck has to pull over.
Drivers are limited in the number of hours they can log in a day. Driverless could run 24/7 without stopping (except for refueling). The passenger in the truck wouldn't have to be alert to much so could sleep all the time if they wanted. It would be an incredibly shitty job but it would save some money.Unclear what your gain in bothering with the trouble and expense to automate the truck is then? I mean I guess you save the slightly higher pay to someone with a CDL that would eventually offset the cost of the tech?.... and MAYBE you reduce accident rates by some amount?
It will be interesting to see where the cost/benefit eventually works out
The trucking industry also suffers from a whopping 90% turnover rate, and its workers must abide by federal 11-hour daily limits behind the wheel.
Urmson says that the Aurora driver should be able to keep a truck moving for about 20 hours on an average day and that, plus associated fuel savings and reduced insurance costs due to safer driving, means theoretically doubling the revenue per truck for a fleet operator.
“Getting from Houston to LA, for example, takes about three days by truck today, because of that 11 hours of service limitation. The Aurora Driver should be able to make that trip in 24 hours,” Urmson said.
Both Waymo and Aurora were applying for a waiver to those rules:That's just it. A truck pulling over on the highway without immediately (IIRC within 5 minutes) deploying flares/cones/lights is illegal in every state AFAIK. I'd like to know how they manage to handle this failure mode without having a human already very close to the truck, or receiving a waiver from following that law. Sending someone out to pick it up in the event of a failure doesn't work for trucks.
Of course, I suppose they could opt to simply ignore a few laws and ask for forgiveness when someone notices. Personally, I despise that approach to developing tech.
Met some of the key people on aurora - very cool and they are doing logistics centers to logistics centers. SmartAurora is planning on driverless trucks Dallas/Houston in 2024. They do it with safety drivers today. Unlike some companies, they actually achieve what they say.
Exactly. They are going to be most useful running from logistic center to logistic center. UPS, FEDEX, some of the major freight carriers. Small companies have way to much diversity in loads and those loads can end abruptly.Who would be responsible for the security of the load? A Chain Binder comes loose a Tie Down breaks. The Load shifts. Would it be difficult to train every Truck to back into any loading dock to pick up and drop off any Trailer? If the Semi is just doing the exact same route and using the same types of Trailers all the time self driving Semis would most likely work. I don't see it working very well if you have to transport different loads on different kinds of Trailers. One day you may be delivering groceries in a Box Trailer. The next day you are delivering a Caterpillar on a Low Boy out to the Country.
I believe the autonomous vendor would be responsible for the load.Who would be responsible for the security of the load? A Chain Binder comes loose a Tie Down breaks. The Load shifts. Would it be difficult to train every Truck to back into any loading dock to pick up and drop off any Trailer?