Knightshade
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My simple question would be is FSD beta the beta version of FSD robotaxi software?
And the simple answer is no.
Tesla literally says that in the CA DMV emails.
Explicitly.
As you've repeatedly been told.
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My simple question would be is FSD beta the beta version of FSD robotaxi software?
We could agree to disagree if you didn’t keep making points that I have already addressed. I do not agree with this interpretation of the SAE levels, that the progression from L2 to L3+ testing is dependent on disengagement rates.And the simple answer is no.
Tesla literally says that in the CA DMV emails.
Explicitly.
As you've repeatedly been told.
To really prove production design intent we would need to see internal communications.
If by internal communications you mean external communications, I guess we do.Which we have. In the DMV emails.
Tesla said:we do not expect significant enhancements in OEDRor other changes to the feature that would shift the responsibility for the entire DDT to the system. As such, a final release of City Streets will continue to be an SAE Level 2, advanced driver-assistance feature
If by internal communications you mean external communications, I guess we do.
And 4 of them just happened to gather randomly in the same spot?Looks like another Cruise stall. And we can see video of a guy attacking the Cruise AV:
Cruise claims that the cars automatically stop when there is contact. So they are basically blaming the guy punching the car for causing the stall.
I am not sure. It looks to me like the car was stalled before the guy started punching the window. Regardless, this is vandalism. We would not be ok with someone attacking our car, it should not be ok just because the car is driverless. No matter how frustrated people might be at stalls, violence is not ok.
And 4 of them just happened to gather randomly in the same spot?
And no other cars in-between? And not one decided to use the right lane?Presumably, they were blocked by the front Cruise that was stopped.
My take is the first Cruise stalled. A pedestrian got angry at the stall and attacked the vehicle. This caused the Cruise to go into emergency stop per protocol. Other Cruise AVs behind it stopped since the Cruise in front was stopped. Apparently, once the pedestrian got out of the way, the Cruise AV resumed driving.
And no other cars in-between? And not one decided to use the right lane?
Delivery truck
Whereas many people may think that Tesla's reaching the end of its capabilities, this is telling me that they are still in their infancy.I can't believe they have been talking for 2 hours and have said absolutely nothing new...
Previous presentations people criticized for not having the disclaimer clear enough and early enough about forward looking statements, this one they put a huge disclaimer at the start:Elon: “As autonomy is turned on, will be biggest asset value increase in history. “
Me: , my mood, thinking about my current car, being worth 5x more as Elon stated. So exciting that I will be able to do this with the car I own now (or more likely sell it for massive profit to someone who can use it in their robotaxi fleet).
Mood in room:
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I guess the only unanswered question is whether this will be done with the current software, or a new version with different design intent. I don’t care I guess.
(For exact quote, starts at 18:50 here…not only is there great price elasticity of demand, the cars will likely only get more valuable.)
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Lol.Previous presentations people criticized for not having the disclaimer clear enough and early enough about forward looking statements, this one they put a huge disclaimer at the start:
Tesla's Investor Day Livestream Disclaimer Basically Says Everything Could Be Bullshit
Investor Day resolved any confusion. I am now convinced that FSD beta is the beta version of FSD driverless.it's flat out baffling people are still confused about this years after Tesla was clear about this.
And that will run on 2016-2022 FSD cars, obviously… It is so convenient to be able to mean multiple different things when saying « FSD » One time it means robotaxis, one time it means L2, one time it means L3, it depends on what liability you face at any point in time essentially. Handy!Investor Day resolved any confusion. I am now convinced that FSD beta is the beta version of FSD driverless.
"as we improve the safety, reliability, and the comfort of our system we can then unlock driverless operations."
Investor Day resolved any confusion. I am now convinced that FSD beta is the beta version of FSD driverless.
"as we improve the safety, reliability, and the comfort of our system we can then unlock driverless operations."
Ashok said:I do not recall