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Curious as to why you’re asking? Are you interested in any particular model?Hi
Does anyone have any information on how production is going in Berlin and when we can expect UK deliveries to start to come from there instead of China?
Was there ever any further news on any new paint colours too?
Thanks
Scott
That’s my understanding, larger casting machinery, improved paint process and possible different paint colours.Aren't the ones made in Berlin going to be the udpated models with giga-castings?
They already are.Import taxes should be drastically higher on imported cars to encourage Tesla and other makers to build locally.
They've been shipping them from halfway across the world since day dot. Until 2021 all of the cars came from America.As per the shipping thread, I don’t even get how Tesla can continue to ship vehicles to Europe from halfway across the world, and still call them green and sustainable.
Each non-MIG Tesla arriving in Europe has burned the equivalent of 500 gallons of heavy fuel through their shipping journey. That’s about 2 years worth of usage needed to break-even vs an ICE made in Europe (which was the case of every previous car I bought)…
Import taxes should be drastically higher on imported cars to encourage Tesla and other makers to build locally.
Not even sure that I have made an environmentally conscious choice anymore
As long as Tesla prefers to sells you a MIC vehicle instead of shifting production to Berlin, absorbing charter costs vs labour, then they’re not high enough IMHO…They already are.
I generally love when someone objects to change in the workplace by saying « but we’ve always done it this way before ». Biggest red flag for me, you know you’re about to uncover some skeletonsThey've been shipping them from halfway across the world since day dot. Until 2021 all of the cars came from America.
sells you a MIC vehicle instead of shifting production to Berlin
Each non-MIG Tesla arriving in Europe has burned the equivalent of 500 gallons of heavy fuel through their shipping journey.
TBF the parts and materials to assemble the car would have come from all over the world too. Not much will have come from Europe.As per the shipping thread, I don’t even get how Tesla can continue to ship vehicles to Europe from halfway across the world, and still call them green and sustainable.
Each non-MIG Tesla arriving in Europe has burned the equivalent of 500 gallons of heavy fuel through their shipping journey. That’s about 2 years worth of usage needed to break-even vs an ICE made in Europe (which was the case of every previous car I bought)…
Import taxes should be drastically higher on imported cars to encourage Tesla and other makers to build locally.
Not even sure that I have made an environmentally conscious choice anymore
Of course, but shipping stacks of battery packs from China already has a better footprint than sending a fully assembled car on a ship, which is I would say at least 50%-60% of empty space.TBF the parts and materials to assemble the car would have come from all over the world too. Not much will have come from Europe.
There is a transportation fees of £1000 included in the price of MiC cars.As long as Tesla prefers to sells you a MIC vehicle instead of shifting production to Berlin, absorbing charter costs vs labour, then they’re not high enough IMHO…
Maybe on paper, but realistically and given the current economical context, I don't believe they would pass-on a £1000 price decrease if/when shifting to MiG..There is a transportation fees of £1000 included in the price of MiC cars.
Transporting stuff from Berlin via trucks might strangely cost more unless they could find cheap labour somehow.Maybe on paper, but realistically and given the current economical context, I don't believe they would pass-on a £1000 price decrease if/when shifting to MiG..
The ships are more limited by the weight so they won’t be able to fill a ship to the max with batteries. They can’t even max the space out with Teslas due to the weight.Of course, but shipping stacks of battery packs from China already has a better footprint than sending a fully assembled car on a ship, which is I would say at least 50%-60% of empty space.
Not sure of where your figures come from there.As per the shipping thread, I don’t even get how Tesla can continue to ship vehicles to Europe from halfway across the world, and still call them green and sustainable.
Each non-MIG Tesla arriving in Europe has burned the equivalent of 500 gallons of heavy fuel through their shipping journey. That’s about 2 years worth of usage needed to break-even vs an ICE made in Europe (which was the case of every previous car I bought)…
Import taxes should be drastically higher on imported cars to encourage Tesla and other makers to build locally.
Not even sure that I have made an environmentally conscious choice anymore
I made a quick 'POMA' calculation myself based on a RoRo the size and tonnage of THEBEN/GLOVIS SPLENDOR burning this amount of bunker fuel on a China-Europe journey, and divided by roughly 4000 cars on board. And I didn't even account for the fact that bunker fuel emissions are immensely more toxic than modern petrol in an ICE.Not sure of where your figures come from there.
Typical figure used for international shipping is 16.14 gCO2e per km per tonne. Model 3 would be 1.7tonnes and 21694km from Shanghai. Works out to be 595kg of CO2. That's about 4,311 miles driven for an average ICE car.
Of course, that's why I highlighted that I, myself, have never bought a car that was made on another continent.Also your ICE car could well be built somewhere else and brought to the UK.
Absolutely, I have never even remotely floated the idea that an ICE car would be more efficient, just that currently, our Teslas do come with a much larger footprint than anything built on our continent, and therefore they should accelerate all efforts to shift to a local production to bridge this gap, to avoid this probably 15k to 20k miles required to break-even vs an ICE.I do agree with your point about building locally, it's also Tesla's plan to reduce the impact of shipping, just takes a while for factories to be built and come on line. In all calculations though it's worth remembering how terrible inefficient ICE cars are, no one ever wins an argument based on them being 'more efficient' than anything.