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Breezewood/Bedford (PA) Supercharger (speculation)

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Another TMC member just emailed Tesla and they replied that some superchargers were left off the map due to an error, including the Cleveland-Buffalo route. So I wouldn't fret about Erie, as it looks like it is coming.

Hoping!

Sure glad they just build cars. Given their (apparent) inability to generate accurate maps and keep them updated, I'd hate to have them delivering flowers, running an army, or building roads.

You'd think at some point responding to all the questions, pleadings, and beratings would prove to be a waste of manpower when a proper map, duly updated, and known to be trustworthy, could resolve all that ahead of time.
 
Hoping!

Sure glad they just build cars. Given their (apparent) inability to generate accurate maps and keep them updated, I'd hate to have them delivering flowers, running an army, or building roads.

You'd think at some point responding to all the questions, pleadings, and beratings would prove to be a waste of manpower when a proper map, duly updated, and known to be trustworthy, could resolve all that ahead of time.


Except that ignores the 4 dimensional reality of trying to do this roll out as fast as possible.

You start by picking sites that make theoretical sense from a coverage perspective. At that point, you're just pushing pins into a map.

You send teams out into the world to talk to landlords, study traffic patterns, and confirm your guesses about where would be good sites. Sometimes you can't find anyone willing to lease to you. Sometimes the place that you thought was ideal turns out to be too far from existing utilities. You adjust accordingly.

Meantime, you line up a national legal effort to pull the permits and oversee the work. You locate law firms in each market that know the Town Hall and how to grease the skids. You adjust your plans based on what your advisers tell you. You start pulling permits and/or filing zoning variance applications. The latter can takes weeks if not months to file and months to get approval.

You also locate and train teams of electrical contractors. You've got to get multiple people in the field simultaneously. You want the teams to be as small as possible, so you never, ever want them idle.

So, when you hit a snag in market X, you redeploy the teams to market Y. Plans change. Maps change.

On top of all of this, you're still calibrating your marketing strategy--because this whole Supercharger thing is as much a marketing tool as anything else. Do you emphasize coast-to-coast travel? LA to Seattle? Miami to Boston? Miami to Seattle? What do you do when existing chargers get crowded? Remember, this is a marketing tool, so the last thing you want is long lines of people waiting to charge.

And in the midst of all of this, where you are literally trying to create a brand-new, national refueling infrastructure, you've got everyone and their brother complaining that supercharger X is too close to point Z, or that supercharger Y needs to be built tomorrow. And while you love your customers, the people that have the money to buy $100,000 electric cars aren't know for being shy or retiring...

tl;dr--

Cut them some slack. They're only trying to do something that's never been done before.
 
Agreed, let them do their thing. Plans need to be fluid here to adapt to all of the moving parts that JST cites. And keep in mind that they have much more going on than they are showing us, or need to show us. This is precisely what they should do...promise minimal, reasonable coverage, and then overdeliver with a more robust network. I will bet we see an SC in Carlisle by next Summer, and I wouldn't doubt if Erie was too far behind...though maybe it is a year behind, who knows.
 
For what it's worth, the dot in Harrisburg/Carlisle PA has been restored; it's currently on the 2014 map. Nothing yet for Erie though. I also just realized that there's a dot in Allentown, presumably near the I-78/I-476 interchange. (Sorry if that was obvious to everyone else.) My best guess for that one would be the Lehigh Valley Mall / Whitehall Mall area, or possibly within the shopping along Route 222 between Dorney Park and Cedar Crest College. But I'm not as familiar with that area and don't get up there all that often (relative to Pittsburgh, Philly, & NJ).
 
Hagerstown speculation confirmed via public records! 6 superchargers, 2000 amps total. :) Source:
https://www.velocityhall.com/accela/velohall/index.cfm?city=WASHINGTON+COUNTY&state=MARYLAND
Has anyone done any scouting lately? Any signs of construction at the outlets?

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Given that I can't easily hop in my car and visit -- y'know, family, full-time job, current lack of superchargers :) -- I've been poking around Google for town/county web sites. That's how I found Hagerstown's charger (http://www.washco-md.net/ - "online permitting" link). I've looked through sites for Somerset (Borough+County), Cranberry Township, and Butler County, with no luck so far. The closest I came to finding anything is Cranberry publishes a monthly PDF list of issued building permits, but I couldn't find anything obvious in August thru November.

@JakeP (and anyone else who'd like to scout): If I were planning a supercharger in Somerset, I'd look for the well-known hotels, restaurants, and other shopping closest to the I-76 interchange. For hotels, there's a Hampton, Quality Inn, Holiday Inn Express, Comfort Inn, and Days Inn, all on the Turnpike access road. For restaurants, it looks like there's a Subway and Arby's in with a couple of the hotels. Plus, along Center Ave (Route 601), there's Ruby Tuesday, Eat n Park, Wendy's, Pizza Hit, and KFC, along with a number of local places. For general retail, further north on Center Ave there's a fair number of big-box stores, including Wal-Mart and Giant Eagle. Finally, there's the Somerset rest area on I-76 itself, which I suppose is a possibility, but it all but eliminates accessibility for non-Turnpike traffic.

Also, you're probably almost next door to the Cranberry supercharger -- any ideas where that one is going? I see quite a few possibilities along Routes 19 and 228 near the I-76/I-79 interchange.

As for thread title: how about PA/MD superchargers?
 
For what it's worth, the dot in Harrisburg/Carlisle PA has been restored; it's currently on the 2014 map. Nothing yet for Erie though. I also just realized that there's a dot in Allentown, presumably near the I-78/I-476 interchange. (Sorry if that was obvious to everyone else.) My best guess for that one would be the Lehigh Valley Mall / Whitehall Mall area, or possibly within the shopping along Route 222 between Dorney Park and Cedar Crest College. But I'm not as familiar with that area and don't get up there all that often (relative to Pittsburgh, Philly, & NJ).
I hope it's near the Turnpike exit, but not at the res area, which would limit/prohibit use on 78 ea st/west route.
 
The rumors I have heard place the Cranberry SC in Marshall Twp, at the Sheraton Four Points. Walkable to Max & Ermas, Five Guys, Chipotle, and a few others (longish walk, depending on where the bays are...I wish they would put them in the lot behind Chipotle/Five Guys instead). But these are just rumors from the Marshall Twp staff, who have issued no permits as of last Thursday, and who do not post permits online. They cannot even confirm if their rumored EV charging station is Tesla-specific. And Sheraton staff are mum on the topic.

For Somerset, I sure do hope they are in that Exit corridor area, so you are not required to work your way through the Somerset traffic lights.
 
Yep that is definitely Allentown, based on what I heard from some Tesla folks. Same with Carlisle, glad to see the dot is back! Now we need to keep lobbying for Erie.

If the turnpike locations I heard about some time ago are correct the eastern location is actually at the 76 and 83 interchange in New Cumberland.

Based on the 3 turnpike locations I was told the high res map for the Mid-Atlantic area created by yobigd20 here appears very accurate.

Open this image in a new tab and zoom in for full detail.
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Don that makes sense for 76/83, and certainly appears to be correct based on YoBigD20's map. It still services the 76 and 81 traffic, and even picks up the 83 traffic down to York and Baltimore...definitely a big bang for the buck. Have you heard any news on the Somerset location? I really wanted to use that for my Holiday travels to Carlisle...very unsure of my Wh/mi in cold with snow tires.
 
Don that makes sense for 76/83, and certainly appears to be correct based on YoBigD20's map. It still services the 76 and 81 traffic, and even picks up the 83 traffic down to York and Baltimore...definitely a big bang for the buck. Have you heard any news on the Somerset location? I really wanted to use that for my Holiday travels to Carlisle...very unsure of my Wh/mi in cold with snow tires.

Unfortunately no updated info available to me. We need someone in Somerset to do some scouting around the exit hotels and food locations or with access to the permit data. With it on the coming soon list there should be some evidence available.

I did locate some slightly interesting electrical company markings at a New Cumberland location but with that location not making the coming soon list they may just have been part of a normal hotel update process that was taking place, but I will check it again when I get into the area.
 
When I picked up our car in late November my delivery specialist mentioned a supercharger coming to Mechanicsburg. I didn't get a full charge before leaving and the trip would be tight and he mentioned that it would be nice if the Mechanicsburg SC was open since it would be on my way home.
 
But if there are superchargers in Hagerstown, Somerset, and in/near Harrisburg, that would probably eliminate the need for one in Breezewood/Bedford.

Even with all these, for travel north and east of Pittsburgh, Bedford or Breezewood is essential. The single and unreliable chaedmo at Altoona doesn't cut it.