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100% this. With most ICE cars you could usually negotiate invoice price + any available incentives/rebates. For most cars this was usually 10-20% off MSRP. Some cars more, some cars less. Now? Good luck with that, most cars now are full MSRP and yes, most cars have increased MSRP over the past couple years. Many dealers also tack on some hefty fees like $300-1000 dealer processing fees, $500 vin etch, some make you pay thousands for paint or leather/fabric protection. Most car companies also ticky tack every little feature. Want heated seats? Well you need to pay $5K for the tech pack that also adds more speakers. Want more safety features? That's another $1500-3000. Wan't leather? That's $7500 more because you also need to buy the tech package..There have been at least 3 effective pricing increases for ICE vehicles recently.
!. The MSRP prices have bumped up.
2. No longer able to pay under sticker. No longer get the $500 over dealer cost offers.
3. For popular models in high demand, the Additional Dealer Markups have gone way up.
4th is that you can not often stop into a dealership and drive your new car home. You need to order it and wait months for it to come in
It is not like Tesla's option sheet does not have stuff like this (although there is less of it because there are fewer options overall). Want a RWD/SR+ with one of the nicer stereo, AWD, or bigger battery, but don't care for the other two? Can't have just one, since they are all packaged together as the LR model.Most car companies also ticky tack every little feature. Want heated seats? Well you need to pay $5K for the tech pack that also adds more speakers. Want more safety features? That's another $1500-3000. Wan't leather? That's $7500 more because you also need to buy the tech package..
I find Tesla's model refreshing.
I bet when supply exceeds demand prices will come down. Judging that there is still March availability for the M3LR and M3P that may not be that far off. No way to predict what Tesla will do tho.Even if it doesn't someone will be paying a LOT MORE than $44,900 when 2024 comes around...buy now or whenever one is ready is the only good advice.
I bet when supply exceeds demand prices will come down. Judging that there is still March availability for the M3LR and M3P that may not be that far off. No way to predict what Tesla will do tho.
Wow.. you are boosting my excitement even further. I am so looking forward to it especially that I never got to drive it so far.Yes!
And you're going to love it. After years (*ahem*, decades ...) of owning all sorts of vehicles, including lots of high performance cars, it's such a dramatic change in all the best possible ways, it's like my first car again
I thought that a heat pump is more efficient and saves battery energy in winter time!!yeah. no kidding. I take resistive heating in my 2019 M3 any day over a heat pump plus leather steering wheel and lumbar support in passenger front seat and one extra speaker. Not all changes on the vehicles are adding value - some are cutting costs...
Ha checked yesterday and it was March, My EDD is 2/24-3/24m3 LR is showing April now...checked earlier today. To help judge if mine is still Feb28-Mar28. View attachment 767130
I wishMake a move south here a little bit to NJ and at least you can get the sales tax waiver!
yeah that is coolYou'll be the "cool" guy in the neighborhood . Don't underestimate the "oh is that a Tesla?" reaction from your friends, (and satisfaction) lol.
When did you order? I ordered mine Jan 13th...EDD 2/28-3/28Ha checked yesterday and it was March, My EDD is 2/24-3/24
Excellent pointThe anxiety felt about buying late and missing out on the best deal is equally matched by the anxiety of buying too early and missing out on the latest tech
1/25When did you order? I ordered mine Jan 13th...EDD 2/28-3/28
Depends on inflation and continued effects of Covid (more variants) and supply chain. China still has a zero tolerance policy for Covid meaning that at any time they will lockdown millions of people and whole cities for 10+ days if there is even a hint of a Covid. As variants get more contagious it will continue to affect supply.I bet when supply exceeds demand prices will come down. Judging that there is still March availability for the M3LR and M3P that may not be that far off. No way to predict what Tesla will do tho.
Yeah the only reason to buy used at this point is if you just can’t wait for a new one.It was an easy decision for me, looking for a used LR or P and the new LR is only a couple thousand off of the used........my state has a 2500 EV rebate so the choice was simple. Will not buy a used when I can get a new for the same price.
I saw a video recently where a 2021 SR+ is racing a 2022 RWD and the 2022 RWD Model 3 is significantly slower than the SR+. It’s almost like a SR+ v LR.LFP battery SR+ is a better car than the LION SR+ in my opinion, has more functional range, longer functional life, etc. Sure maybe it's a bit slower but most reports of comparisons from people and they find it hard to tell an acceleration difference.
You can still walk into a dealership and drive away the same day, if you're being as specific as "I need something on four wheels that runs." You might get a new subcompact, pickup, minivan, or whatever they have leftover on the lot.There have been at least 3 effective pricing increases for ICE vehicles recently.
!. The MSRP prices have bumped up.
2. No longer able to pay under sticker. No longer get the $500 over dealer cost offers.
3. For popular models in high demand, the Additional Dealer Markups have gone way up.
4th is that you can not often stop into a dealership and drive your new car home. You need to order it and wait months for it to come in
more efficient from 30F+ ... in very cold temps heat pumps still work but are less efficient than heating with electricity. Simply not enough BTUs in the very cold air to be extracted efficiently. Living in Texas heating isn't really an issue but if need be - the resistive electric heating always works and works FAST.I thought that a heat pump is more efficient and saves battery energy in winter time!!