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California Utilities Plan All Out War On Solar, Please Read And Help
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I think the "...whole depends on where you are..." (in FL, CA, etc) is already the problem. Just because you state you know so and so went off grid doesn't do anything for anyone else if it doesn't apply to them. This is why I still have yet to find anyone or posts of anyone who has done this in more metro/suburb areas to just walk up and tell the IOU to FU from following regular threads.
Until it's a simple thing to cut them out and it's even documented, it's still a unicorn in my book for the majority of people.
Hah, at least you proved no matter whether you're in a red/blue state, corporations are greedy against everyone else.
Yes I don't know if that's the good news or the bad news. I guess it's more the bad news. Red state blue state any Old State and you can predict that the public privately owned corporate utility is going to soak you. I suppose that's not any surprise given the model. About the only good news in Florida and this is where Florida does separate from California is our rates are a lot more reasonable. Pretty sure most Californians at least the ones with the ious would take 13 to 14 cents a kilowatt hour any day. The problem is we don't have any time of use discount but I guess at that number it's not too bad. That of course is still higher than the amortized cost of an 8-12 KW system over its lifetime in terms of dollars per megawatt hourHah, at least you proved no matter whether you're in a red/blue state, corporations are greedy against everyone else.
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Ed Hart
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How many people agree that if states had forced their utilities to conform to a renewable energy scale-up, there would have been no need for incentives for individual homeowners to install their own solar panels? A well-managed utility could have added renewables, charging higher rates while amortizing, then later reduced rates as renewable costs (solar, wind, storage and grid upgrades) were amortized. Remember: the drive to renewables should be a national and state objective, right?
The key underpinning for all the home solar installations was to incentivize willing and able citizens to drive the changeover to renewable energy at their own expense. For lots of reasons, not every homeowner could participate, and renters were left out completely. Now, those who were willing and able are views by states as everything from privileged to racist to evil.
The key underpinning for all the home solar installations was to incentivize willing and able citizens to drive the changeover to renewable energy at their own expense. For lots of reasons, not every homeowner could participate, and renters were left out completely. Now, those who were willing and able are views by states as everything from privileged to racist to evil.
Yep those rates make batteries and running off batteries during peak hours pretty attractive or I should say pretty necessary unless you want to get raked over the coals. And at those rates obviously anybody would put solar on their roof and expect a pretty short payback unless the utility figured out a way to sabotage that which mostly they have it looks like with net 3.0
bkp_duke
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Living in SDG&E territory, I would love to have those rates. We're about 10-15c/kWh higher here. Except on the EV overnight rate.
The really interesting question is how long will the vested interests be able to disguise the massive difference between what they are charging and the actual cost of state-of-the-art power generation which is now between 2 and 5 cents a kilowatt hour depending on the size of your solar farm and its latitude. How long will they be able to disguise the difference between that, which should be the Baseline cost, and what they're charging? Obviously the baseline cost can't be what you're charging because of infrastructure, investment, and maintenance costs which are non-trivial but still rather modest. But when you are charging somewhere between 10 and 20 times the actual optimized cost of fully renewable power generation, that should raise a whole lot of eyebrows and a whole lot of suspicion that what you're doing is basically just gouging people. Only with the FUDgates wide open and the b******* machines turned on max with full complicity of mainstream media and social media will you continue to succeed in the brainwashing of the population that their costs for power are fair and realistic. This has succeeded up to now through a combination of climate obfuscation, PR and other forms of disinformation but it's hard to believe that this staggering collection of lies will hold up much longer. Power in California should be cheap as dirt. Instead of it being the most expensive in the nation outside of Hawaii. And Hawaii is another story about how successful utilities have been in selling b*******
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Yeah, it's depressing. Our neighboring municipal utilities of Roseville and Sacramento have very similar population density and housing development with identical climate. Rates of course there are less than half of what us trapped in the investor-owned utility rackets pay.
As long as the state government agencies continue to approve rate hikes/plans without pre-defined caps. It's perfectly understandable that IOU's want to maximize profit as they should for their shareholders but the state government is supposed to keep them in check but have failed do so.
Hundreds opposed changes to rooftop solar credits in Idaho. It was just approved anyway
Idaho Power won approval from its state regulator to change the way it compensates homeowners with rooftop solar for the energy they send back to the grid.
Sounds like what we have here in Oregon.
Here's my assembly person Steve Bennett, Newsom, and state senator Monique Limon's donations from the utilities. I wonder why the utilities would donate so much, could they expected something in return? Maybe something like NEM3? AB205?
. Hmmm......not voting for these folks ever again unless they reverse AB205 or at least use some of these millions to pay for my new SCE connection fees:
Here you go, you can look up your local legislators and give them a call and ask them how these donations affected their passage of AB205.
Here you go, you can look up your local legislators and give them a call and ask them how these donations affected their passage of AB205.
Barry's podcasts are great. Highly recommended.
SageBrush
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Some context would help. E.g., Florida's DeSantis took $20,000,000 ($20M) from one individual named Robert Bigelow for his 2024 Pres campaign.
I think if you looked up the donations of Big Pharma and Oil industries to politicians you might found them to be eye openers.
For sure. We have government for hire in this country. Conflict of interest is the primary MO of our political system. Sad. . . and it puts the lie to the notion that we run a free market capitalism. It's really corporate socialism. Government for the rich to the rich and by the rich.
YAY!!!! Legislators are listening to us about the utilities, and finally saying something and hopefully doing it!
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