sunwarriors
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Prove it. I personally know several who are went off grid and have never had an issue with it.
I think I asked earlier, but did you answer where these people you know lived?
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Prove it. I personally know several who are went off grid and have never had an issue with it.
It all depends on where you are in Florida. There's no state law but lots of cities have local laws saying you have to be connected but even then there are ways around it.
At any rate, this kind of thing is going to go more mainstream as utilities around the country fight their own death spirals that they're perpetuating with policies designed to make you more dependent on them and suck more money from your pockets. Eventually this is going to end up in front of the Supreme Court.
As storage gets cheaper and generation equipment continues to plummet in price, it will eventually be more advantageous to disconnect from the grid unless utilities start turning things around and making it more advantageous to stay connected. Utilities are monopolies right now because in 99% of the US, you have no choice where to buy your electricity from off the grid. But now they have to compete with self generation and they'll be lobbying to create laws that force you to stay connected. Eventually the public will decide to wield enough influence to vote out politicians that pass these types of laws, like AB205, without a public vote.
I did some research on this and not surprisingly it turns out that it's the county that decides whether or not a connection to fpl is required. It's interesting that Charlotte County which is where we built our two properties has absolutely no exceptions and some other counties do. I'm going to do some more research and find out how those other counties like Collier and Lee got exemptions. I believe you have to apply individually however it's not automatic, and it may depend entirely on whether or not there's an existing power line on the street. More later. Apparently FPL has been spreading the corporate Kool-Aid that individual rooftop solar is for rich people while their solar is for the hoi polloi. They've also been very skillful in rejiggering their cost equations so now they're estimating that 12 cents per kilowatt hour is the delivery charge while only two cents is the production charge. If you're a net energy producer for the year which we are to the tune of more than two megawatts you get the two cents. Total b******* of course and probably violating physical law because most of their power still comes from natural gas and if you had 100% energy conversion from natural gas heat into kinetic energy I don't believe you could do it for two cents a kilowatt hour. And of course it's not even close to 100% efficiency it's probably closer to 35%. If you have a so-called secondary heat recapture turbine apparently you can get to over 50%, but even that does not yield you two cents a kilowatt hour at current natural gas prices. It's all about gaming the system, conning The Regulators who are minimally sophisticated, and continuing to soak the populace - the goose that's laying all the golden eggs.
Yes I don't know if that's the good news or the bad news. I guess it's more the bad news. Red state blue state any Old State and you can predict that the public privately owned corporate utility is going to soak you. I suppose that's not any surprise given the model. About the only good news in Florida and this is where Florida does separate from California is our rates are a lot more reasonable. Pretty sure most Californians at least the ones with the ious would take 13 to 14 cents a kilowatt hour any day. The problem is we don't have any time of use discount but I guess at that number it's not too bad. That of course is still higher than the amortized cost of an 8-12 KW system over its lifetime in terms of dollars per megawatt hourHah, at least you proved no matter whether you're in a red/blue state, corporations are greedy against everyone else.
Yep, we in California would LOVE 13 to 14 cents a kWh!!! Here is my SCE rates.Yes I don't know if that's the good news or the bad news. I guess it's more the bad news. Red state blue state any Old State and you can predict that the public privately owned corporate utility is going to soak you. I suppose that's not any surprise given the model. About the only good news in Florida and this is where Florida does separate from California is our rates are a lot more reasonable. Pretty sure most Californians at least the ones with the ious would take 13 to 14 cents a kilowatt hour any day. The problem is we don't have any time of use discount but I guess at that number it's not too bad. That of course is still higher than the amortized cost of an 8-12 KW system over its lifetime in terms of dollars per megawatt hour
Yep those rates make batteries and running off batteries during peak hours pretty attractive or I should say pretty necessary unless you want to get raked over the coals. And at those rates obviously anybody would put solar on their roof and expect a pretty short payback unless the utility figured out a way to sabotage that which mostly they have it looks like with net 3.0Yep, we in California would LOVE 13 to 14 cents a kWh!!! Here is my SCE rates.
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Yep, we in California would LOVE 13 to 14 cents a kWh!!! Here is my SCE rates.
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Ditto on the higher rates here in PG&E land.Living in SDG&E territory, I would love to have those rates. We're about 10-15c/kWh higher here. Except on the EV overnight rate.
The really interesting question is how long will the vested interests be able to disguise the massive difference between what they are charging and the actual cost of state-of-the-art power generation which is now between 2 and 5 cents a kilowatt hour depending on the size of your solar farm and its latitude. How long will they be able to disguise the difference between that, which should be the Baseline cost, and what they're charging? Obviously the baseline cost can't be what you're charging because of infrastructure, investment, and maintenance costs which are non-trivial but still rather modest. But when you are charging somewhere between 10 and 20 times the actual optimized cost of fully renewable power generation, that should raise a whole lot of eyebrows and a whole lot of suspicion that what you're doing is basically just gouging people. Only with the FUDgates wide open and the b******* machines turned on max with full complicity of mainstream media and social media will you continue to succeed in the brainwashing of the population that their costs for power are fair and realistic. This has succeeded up to now through a combination of climate obfuscation, PR and other forms of disinformation but it's hard to believe that this staggering collection of lies will hold up much longer. Power in California should be cheap as dirt. Instead of it being the most expensive in the nation outside of Hawaii. And Hawaii is another story about how successful utilities have been in selling b*******Ditto on the higher rates here in PG&E land.
Yeah, it's depressing. Our neighboring municipal utilities of Roseville and Sacramento have very similar population density and housing development with identical climate. Rates of course there are less than half of what us trapped in the investor-owned utility rackets pay.The really interesting question is how long will the vested interest be able to disguise the massive difference between what they are charging and the actual cost of state-of-the-art power generation ...
As long as the state government agencies continue to approve rate hikes/plans without pre-defined caps. It's perfectly understandable that IOU's want to maximize profit as they should for their shareholders but the state government is supposed to keep them in check but have failed do so.The really interesting question is how long will the vested interests be able to disguise the massive difference between what they are charging and the actual cost of state-of-the-art power generation ...
Here you go, you can look up your local legislators and give them a call and ask them how these donations affected their passage of AB205.
Incredibly telling and of course incredibly disgusting. Explains why California is run like a mafia utility state.Here's my assembly person Steve Bennett, Newsom, and state senator Monique Limon's donations from the utilities. I wonder why the utilities would donate so much, could they expected something in return? Maybe something like NEM3? AB205? View attachment 1007990. Hmmm......not voting for these folks ever again unless they reverse AB205 or at least use some of these millions to pay for my new SCE connection fees:
Incredibly telling and of course incredibly disgusting. Explains why California is run like a mafia utility state.
For sure. We have government for hire in this country. Conflict of interest is the primary MO of our political system. Sad. . . and it puts the lie to the notion that we run a free market capitalism. It's really corporate socialism. Government for the rich to the rich and by the rich.Some context would help. E.g., Florida's DeSantis took $20,000,000 ($20M) from one individual named Robert Bigelow for his 2024 Pres campaign.
I think if you looked up the donations of Big Pharma and Oil industries to politicians you might found them to be eye openers.