Probably more like 50 threads with this topic, and 25-30 threads with people complaining that "tesla canceled my order because I couldnt take delivery because <insert made up reason>, along with another 25 threads about how horrible tesla is for doing this.
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Can you delay delivery to wait on Model Y improvements?
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Probably more like 50 threads with this topic, and 25-30 threads with people complaining that "tesla canceled my order because I couldnt take delivery because <insert made up reason>, along with another 25 threads about how horrible tesla is for doing this.
TomServo
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Given the calendar and the looming $7500 cash, I suspect the number of folks delaying orders with skyrocket. Tesla could start to play hardball since they own the ball, the court, the referees and concession stands.
After the shenanigans at the end of last year due to subsidy rumors, Tesla started tightening the screws on folks dinking around with delivery dates.
Don't order a car based on assumptions that some feature or rebate will apply unless they apply when you order.
Lots of people got burned playing guessing games and trying to shuffle delivery dates around last winter. Likely be similar foolery this year as well.
Don't order a car based on assumptions that some feature or rebate will apply unless they apply when you order.
Lots of people got burned playing guessing games and trying to shuffle delivery dates around last winter. Likely be similar foolery this year as well.
From Order Agreement
"Delivery; Transfer of Title. If you are picking up your Vehicle in a state where we are licensed to sell the Vehicle, we will notify you of when we expect your Vehicle to be ready for delivery at your local Tesla Delivery Center, or other location as we may agree to. You agree to schedule and take delivery of your Vehicle within three (3) days of this date. If you do not respond to our notification or are unable to take delivery within the specified period, your Vehicle may be made available for sale to other customers. For new vehicles, if you do not take delivery within thirty (30) days of our first atempt to notify you, Tesla may cancel your order and keep your Order Fee."
Order placed 12/30/21
expected delivery Dec. 2022
but I want to delay into 2023 for potential tax credit
Then it sounds like it would be fair for them to re-price your order to the current pricing.
That’s interesting about the Gen 4 AP hardware. I wonder what the magnitude of improvement might be?
So you can delay twice before having to accept the 3rd delivery? And so you got 3 different VIN’s?
I am not sure exactly how many times you can delay. It may be case by case. The first VIN was F32XXXX, the second one was F39XXXX, and the one I finally took is F50XXXX.
LLWS
Member
If Tesla announced a $7,500 price increase beginning January 1st that would solve the delivery delay conundrum and protect existing owner equity positions/used Tesla market.
I think the way the order agreement is written you’re really not ordering anything. What you’re doing is purchasing the option to buy a car in a particular color configuration at some point in the future when Tesla feels it’s most advantageous to itself. Exercise your option you get a car, don’t exercise the option and you forfeit $250. You can always buy another spot in line 24/7 via the website.
I think the way the order agreement is written you’re really not ordering anything. What you’re doing is purchasing the option to buy a car in a particular color configuration at some point in the future when Tesla feels it’s most advantageous to itself. Exercise your option you get a car, don’t exercise the option and you forfeit $250. You can always buy another spot in line 24/7 via the website.
Telsa does model year changeovers in November.
Anything delivered after early November will likely have most of the planned enhancements for the next many months.
There are changes which have occurred due to supply chain shortages (matrix headlights in MYLR) which are temporary.
There are changes which have occurred because Tesla production processes and/or profits benefit (megacastings).
There's no timeline or published listing of new features, functions, etc. Except for the internet blogs, which are 99% hype.
Buying a Tesla has become similar to buying a PC.
There's always gonna be something else better, faster, sexier or cheaper that your neighbors will say you should have waited for.
Problem is, they're still paying $5 for a gallon of gas, while I'm paying $12 for a full tank.
At this point, there's absolutely nothing worth delaying a delivery for.
It's all good and getting incrementally better. Just not radically better, as it did early on.
Anything delivered after early November will likely have most of the planned enhancements for the next many months.
There are changes which have occurred due to supply chain shortages (matrix headlights in MYLR) which are temporary.
There are changes which have occurred because Tesla production processes and/or profits benefit (megacastings).
There's no timeline or published listing of new features, functions, etc. Except for the internet blogs, which are 99% hype.
Buying a Tesla has become similar to buying a PC.
There's always gonna be something else better, faster, sexier or cheaper that your neighbors will say you should have waited for.
Problem is, they're still paying $5 for a gallon of gas, while I'm paying $12 for a full tank.
At this point, there's absolutely nothing worth delaying a delivery for.
It's all good and getting incrementally better. Just not radically better, as it did early on.
Do they really do a model year changeovers in November or any specific time similar to legacy auto makers? I thought they just changed based on when it works best for them whenever that may be. As you said, similar to PC manufacturers.
Tesla model year changeovers are designated in November. Anything shipped after early November is the next year model for registration purposes.
So cars shipped starting roughly Nov 1 will be 2023 model year cars.
As for feature adds/deletes etc, in the past they have happened at any time - Tesla's convenience, when ready, whatever.
Examples - megacasts for model yr 2021 started February '21 as noted earlier; LiOn low voltage battery for model yr '22 was last January, AMD Ryzen chipset was February '22.
Giga Texas is delivering parcel shelves on MY cars, Fremont is not. Giga Texas is delivering MiC door panels (wood trim inset), Fremont is not. Fremont is temporarily delivering matrix headlights on MYLR, Texas is not. Supplier issues, model year adds/deletes, whatever and whenever Tesla decides.
Got it. Our MYLR now has an EDD between Sept 26 to Oct 10. I would assume it is coming from Freemont.
So, if the Nov 1st model year changeover is accurate I guess we will be receiving a 2022 not a 2023. Not sure is makes much difference either way other than if we sell in the future it would technically be 1 year newer.
Nashville may be served by Giga Texas.
Production is ramping up there and a rail-head in the area would save Tesla lots of shipping costs.
It could go either way and it's Tesla's call, there's no customer control over that.
Regardless, quality for both Fremont and Austin is now excellent. Very few complaints here on TMC any more.
this is mostly China-related, and although Zheng says in later posts that it's worldwide, it's unlikely to be North America for a while (Q2 23?).
He also says Hemp material is replacing engineered plastics for interior trim, which is not a substantial change / consumer benefit.
It can make sense that 4680 will be used in MYP as it has been in AWD for North America, since those are a very low percentage of purchases.
However, it's all about the progress Tesla can make on 4680 production yields, process improvements, etc. Note that Texas still gets it's 4680 packs from Kato Road.
Look for FRONT castings stockpiled on the lot at Fremont to clue us when the 4680 MYP might happen there (they are thicker than the rear castings, don't stack as tightly).
And most importantly, how many SEMI and CT will be built, since those will have 4680 priority - they can't be made without 4680 in mass quantities.
Dunromin
Member
Tesla internal guidance is they will allow a hold as long as it is not later than the estimated delivery date when the order was placed.
That is good to know. If my initial estimate delivery date is in Dec, 2022, if I put a hold now, would it put me back in the queue once I release the hold?
Or would the hold be auto release in Dec 2022?
tpedwards
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I am disappointed that Tesla is not taking a more proactive approach. Certainly, Tesla has buyers who would not be eligible for the incentive that starts in January - those over the income limit, corporate purchases such as Hertz. Why wouldn't Tesla prioritize which to schedule for delivery and those who would rather, wait until after January 1.
As a shareholder, I'm angry that Tesla is not taking measure to avert a potential delivery disaster. It could happen that thousands of customers delay their delivery until after the end of December. Since Tesla didn't have their act together, they end up with lots of inventory, low deliveries at the end of the year and then thousands clamoring to get theirs as of January 1.
As a shareholder, I'm angry that Tesla is not taking measure to avert a potential delivery disaster. It could happen that thousands of customers delay their delivery until after the end of December. Since Tesla didn't have their act together, they end up with lots of inventory, low deliveries at the end of the year and then thousands clamoring to get theirs as of January 1.
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