sreams
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Most trucks, SUVs and Camrys are far more aesthetically pleasing than the Bolt and Leaf, at least to my eye.
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Most trucks, SUVs and Camrys are far more aesthetically pleasing than the Bolt and Leaf, at least to my eye.
Kant.Ing
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I didn't check this when I was in Tesla showroom... does the glove box come with a motorized door? If not, the driver touches the on-screen button to pop it open but still has to reach the glove box to manually close it. The form does not seem to follow function, at least from the driver's perspective.
brucet999
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When the reason for an SUV is a second baby, with all the stuff that has to be brought along, any hybrid is pointless due to loss of cargo space compared to standard models, not to mention much higher cost.
(Besides, @206er's Acura, Audi and Volvo SUV choices are nice looking, IMO, unlike today's Lexus with that ugly big-X grille. I'm so glad we got our Lexus RX350 before that style change came along.)
Speaking of function.... Reaching over to unlatch a glove compartment while driving is something I've never had to do, ever. I suppose we all use our GCs differently but traditionally what's in mine are:
Owner's manual
Registration
Insurance cards
Pencil/Pen
Old-school tire pressure pen
Basically stuff I need if I get pulled over or get in an accident. None of these things are items I need while driving. Anything I need regularly or semi-regularly (sunglasses, gloves, passes, etc) are kept in much more accessible areas of the car.
ℬête Noire
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Setting aside the dubiousness of 'two finger touches instead of one, about a foot to the right' = 'hunt and peck', am I really a freak that I access the glove box less than once a month, probably less than once every two months? Historically it's probably mostly been to put a new insurance card in there.....and now I just carry that on my phone.
Luddites be luddites.
Also pretty sure that's got nothing to do with anything mentioned in your post here.If it involved reaching for it, I'd agree with that. Just as if reaching for a FOB was required.
You mean a FOB you don't have to press a button for? Errrr, not sure why that wouldn't be fine (outside of "I don't want different").
There is the "can't get in the care when the entire 12V electrical system is down" issue that I think is an actual design issue. It'll be a rare edge case but it's a real safety issue in very cold climates when in a remotes areas where nearby shelter isn't readily available (and maybe no cell coverage). The solution that occurs to me are the mechanical overrides of the Model S but that are only enabled by a fail-open relay on the 12V supply. *shrug*
That's not design, that's current programming bugs. Welcome to Model 3 Open Beta. Although ultimately with Android phones (maybe occasionally with iOS) occasional popping up software glitches for a small percentage of people may end happening during OS software updates?
But you still have your FOB that you don't have to press a button for for a temporary back-up.
brucet999
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I doubt it, but probably would exceed hybrid Lexus. I didn't even think of Prius as a SUV.
N5329K
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Not sure I'd call this guy a Luddite:Setting aside the dubiousness of 'two finger touches instead of one, about a foot to the right' = 'hunt and peck', am I really a freak that I access the glove box less than once a month, probably less than once every two months? Historically it's probably mostly been to put a new insurance card in there.....and now I just carry that on my phone.
Luddites be luddites.
If it involved reaching for it, I'd agree with that. Just as if reaching for a FOB was required.
You mean a FOB you don't have to press a button for? Errrr, not sure why that wouldn't be fine (outside of "I don't want different").
There is the "can't get in the care when the entire 12V electrical system is down" issue that I think is an actual design issue. It'll be a rare edge case but it's a real safety issue in very cold climates when in a remotes areas where nearby shelter isn't readily available (and maybe no cell coverage). The solution that occurs to me are the mechanical overrides of the Model S but that are only enabled by a fail-open relay on the 12V supply. *shrug*
That's not design, that's current programming bugs. Welcome to Model 3 Open Beta. Although ultimately with Android phones (maybe occasionally with iOS) occasional popping up software glitches for a small percentage of people may end happening during OS software updates?
But you still have your FOB that you don't have to press a button for for a temporary back-up.
That's a design compromise I was not willing to accept. Others may be, and that's perfectly OK.
Robin
ℬête Noire
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I was thinking of EXACTLY him, that very video was foremost in my mind when writing that post. Gramps is weirded out because he doesn't think his car is on as he's driving down the highway at 60mph.
It certainly hasn't anything to do with the glovebox, or the rest of your post.
EDIT: The turn-by-turn screen placement does look poor, though. That's an issue if you rely on that a lot [visually]. Ironically having that space open for the phone would be GREAT on my Bolt, because the UX of the map via CarPlay is the suck now (and likely for some time knowing Apple). I actually just use Google Maps on my phone often. That's even true there, to an extent. Because you don't have to keep that area clear to read your speed (which turns out is perfectly fine where it in the M3) it becomes an option to use the phone like that.
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jelloslug
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Whoops! I meant to say Bolts and Leafs are ugly and SUVs were invented in 2000. Sorry.
bonnie
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You're right. You have to press a button to open & then manually close.
This is also true for my Model X. I have to press a button (not on a screen, but still a button press) to open & then manually close. It is also true for the Model S. And the Roadster. And my last BMW. A Prius. A Jeep.
Not sure why this is an issue ....
ℬête Noire
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@McRat
First off, your quotes below that I'm going to dissect & talk about below are tangental to the asinine drivel I was referring above the line you quoted. Which is why it didn't need to be there...I mean besides being asinine drivel. At the very list consider if you really want to open the can of worms of where "hating on Detroit" is happening, and has happened in the recent past in this country, and the roots of that?
"Out of me and our family dog, I'm the least hairy"? Of course GM is going to get the most words here because Chrysler & Ford aren't really even in the EV game yet.
I lived through the era of undercarriages & truck boxes rusting out on GM pickups within a few years (and occasionally faster), for example. It's not entirely wrong historically. There was some shoddy mentality fueled by the triopoly of those days. I think though it may be somewhat biased view in that the crap that wasn't built in NA wasn't worth the effort to import. So you tended to see the better stuff only in imports....and also some crap from Japan because that's pretty much all they had.
By the late 80's and 90's though NA was definitely way, way behind Japan. That's honestly earned reputation there.
First off, note implicit in your statement is that the Big 3 still aren't top of the line worldwide. So it's a distortion (because the Big 3 have made a lot of strides) but more-so an overstatement rather than untrue.
This is true. Ironically most "foreign brand" vehicles are at least partially manufactured in the US. To the extent that US brands are, to. And for a VERY long time a lot of what was a "US" vehicle was just as likely to be Canadian origin. That's increasingly extended to Mexico, now.
Further, global ownership of those companies and partnerships that have been forged in the industry makes "American" vs "Non-American" rather vague. Tesla included because of Panasonic angle, although they don't have any manufacturing outside the US (regulation required/dodging port assembly facilities aside).
It is also true that Tesla being seen as outside the auto industry entirely generally doesn't get that historic taint. But that's not supporting your "Tesla is European" contention.
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As well GM earned ire fair and square from EV aficionados via their rather brutal scrapping of the EV1 program (and literal scrapping of 1000+ cars, every single one in existence save a single one at the Smithsonian). Remember very negative reaction to that is the core of the genesis of Tesla. The existence of Tesla is a direct, explicit statement about that decision.
First off, your quotes below that I'm going to dissect & talk about below are tangental to the asinine drivel I was referring above the line you quoted. Which is why it didn't need to be there...I mean besides being asinine drivel. At the very list consider if you really want to open the can of worms of where "hating on Detroit" is happening, and has happened in the recent past in this country, and the roots of that?
"Out of me and our family dog, I'm the least hairy"?
Of course GM is going to get the most words here because Chrysler & Ford aren't really even in the EV game yet.I lived through the era of undercarriages & truck boxes rusting out on GM pickups within a few years (and occasionally faster), for example. It's not entirely wrong historically.
There was some shoddy mentality fueled by the triopoly of those days. I think though it may be somewhat biased view in that the crap that wasn't built in NA wasn't worth the effort to import. So you tended to see the better stuff only in imports....and also some crap from Japan because that's pretty much all they had.By the late 80's and 90's though NA was definitely way, way behind Japan. That's honestly earned reputation there.
First off, note implicit in your statement is that the Big 3 still aren't top of the line worldwide. So it's a distortion (because the Big 3 have made a lot of strides) but more-so an overstatement rather than untrue.
This is true. Ironically most "foreign brand" vehicles are at least partially manufactured in the US. To the extent that US brands are, to. And for a VERY long time a lot of what was a "US" vehicle was just as likely to be Canadian origin. That's increasingly extended to Mexico, now.
Further, global ownership of those companies and partnerships that have been forged in the industry makes "American" vs "Non-American" rather vague. Tesla included because of Panasonic angle, although they don't have any manufacturing outside the US (regulation required/dodging port assembly facilities aside).
It is also true that Tesla being seen as outside the auto industry entirely generally doesn't get that historic taint. But that's not supporting your "Tesla is European" contention.
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As well GM earned ire fair and square from EV aficionados via their rather brutal scrapping of the EV1 program (and literal scrapping of 1000+ cars, every single one in existence save a single one at the Smithsonian). Remember very negative reaction to that is the core of the genesis of Tesla. The existence of Tesla is a direct, explicit statement about that decision.
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SpiceWare
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Not seeing the issue - presumably you've opened the glovebox to get something out/put something in, so your hand is already there.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
It is weirdness in how the user mentally maps the glovebox. That's generally dodgy UX, at best. (Although, again, who are these people that are using the glovebox so much? Especially in the age of lidded consoles.)
EDIT: Not that it'd likely be better to require the screen be tapped, again. The inherent problem there being the distance. Like you point out, your hand is already there from getting something out of the glovebox.
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Kant.Ing
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N5329K
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It may not be an issue for you. For me, it's a "telling detail" that reveals an underlying design ethic of Model 3: the UI requires you to take your eyes off the road in order to do otherwise simple things. I can reach across and open the glove box without taking my eyes off the road. I can't do that in Model 3. Not a big deal, certainly. But windshield wipers? Headlights? Cruise control set speed? Traffic spacing interval?
It's not just about the glove box.
You will not be surprised to learn that I keep maps in mine.
My thought is this: here is a car nicely adapted for the world of autonomous driving, where "eyes out" is unimportant. Even unnecessary.
Unfortunately, we don't live in that world yet. And so it's one of Model 3's design compromises - and a safety issue- I was unwilling to live with.
Robin
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
Are there examples of other glove boxes that open by pressing a button & then close again by pressing that same button?
I can see why manufacturers have a button press, but manually close. I like the option of locking the glovebox (ie, valet mode) - but I'd hate a button press to close it. I just want to close it (as mentioned above, your hand is already there). Old school glove boxes open and close manually, but then you lose the 'valet mode' option.
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