That may indeed be useful to Tesla owners someday. Right now, it just isn't.
Like I said, for those of us that don't have superchargers readily available, it absolutely is. And that covers a massive amount of North America.
There aren't that many locations, they are mostly much slower 50 kW (or even 24 kW) locations, and they aren't very reliable.
There are locations where Tesla doesn't have them. Which is a pretty critical point you're missing. And who cares what speed they are? It's faster than AC charging and available to the public. When there isn't an alternative, it doesn't much matter how it compares to a charger that doesn't exist.
CCS chargers near me have operated flawlessly for 4 years or so. You don't have data to back up a reliability claim, and the reliability has nothing at all to do with the connector type.
Oh, and the biggest network just
decided to shut down several hundred miles of sites for "routine upgrades" halfway through a major travel holiday weekend with minimal notice.
I don't see how this is an adapter's fault. If consumers can use whatever chargers are available to them, they'll have a better experience. You're trying pretty hard to make up reasons that isn't true.
And Tesla can always give this benefit to their customers without any of the drawbacks by offering a CCS adapter if they so choose.
Ahem. Check the title of this thread.
They lose control of the standard, and the ability to roll out OTA upgrades to it at will.
This isn't true in any sense. They already use the signalling and pins for J1772. Which is why they have the adapter for it. It's a straight-through connector. Also, Tesla has been part of CharIn for quite a few years and has contributed to multiple efforts including the heavy vehicle DC charging efforts currently under way.
They have to retrofit nearly nine hundred locations and thousands of stalls to match the CCS plugs
...which they can do as they perform routine upgrades or repairs. Just like they initially did in Europe.
They have to retrofit half a million cars to the new standard - which will be a significant challenge for the S/X, since the tail light charge plug location and hole in the aluminum structure aren't nearly large enough for a CCS plug.
They don't have to retrofit anything if customers don't buy a retrofit kit. Again. Europe. This has already happened, and you're totally ignoring it.
The CCS plug is larger and inherently more complicated with elctromechanical moving parts in the plug required for standard implementation and thus presumably significantly more expensive to manufacture.
Ok, so, at this point I'm starting to understand that you don't know what is going on. Which is fine, but it makes you ill prepared to have this conversation. First and foremost, the connector isn't more complicated. It's actually significantly simpler. The electromechanical moving parts currently are inside your charge port on the car, so if you have a problem with them, I don't know what to tell you. Also, the CCS connector's button is a mechanical linkage that disconnects a latch. One of the simplest machines known to humankind- a pivot point.
And once more, anybody that has used the J1772 adapter has literally used this mechanism. Your complaints aren't well informed and you've obviously never used a CCS connector in North America.
The CCS plug is substantially more annoying for the user, without the easy inside the hand grip and self aligning features of the TSLA-01.
Please go to the CharIn website and download the CCS Combo spec. There are multiple self-alignment mechanisms in a Combo 1 connector, and the standard J1772 connector. You could not be farther from the truth here.
The CCS plug requires a secondary cover over the DC pins during AC charging, which means an extra step for the user on DC fast charging to remove it.
Those covers aren't required, and lost of cars don't have them.
The smaller, simpler plug Tesla uses certainly is an advantage. What did you imagine the "nearly every other way" that CCS is superior in to be?
Wider adopted standard by nearly the entire automotive industry.
Higher amperage and higher voltage delivery as part of the current spec.
Simpler to use plug, with an easy to grip handle, with less risk of snapping off the plastic alignment pins Tesla had to recall.
Dedicated AC and DC charge paths.
High speed data throughput as part of the spec (no need for wifi at a charge site).
Load balancing as part of the spec.
Multiple payment options as part of the spec (plug and charge like Tesla, and payment authorization to charge).
Builds on top of existing standards.
Those are just a few, but there are many more.
So you'd like this wholly unnecessary cost to be passed on to all of the current Tesla owners, which makes it "free," except for retrofitting several thousand locations?
If they want it. Like buying literally any other accessory for your car, you pay money for it. THERE IS NO NEED TO RETROFIT VEHICLES. And again, this has already happened successfully in Europe. So now Model 3 owners in the EU can charge on any network they happen to be near, or is cost advantageous to them. Alternatively, Tesla could choose to enable charging of other brands on their network to generate more revenue to continue their buildout. Which you can not do with your own proprietary connector nobody else wants to use.
I haven't seen anything to change my opinion that Tesla and Tesla owners gain nothing from doing such a change, and it will cost both significantly.
Cool. Go drive around in a part of North America that doesn't have superchargers and come talk to us then. In the mean time, having a charge adapter would be a massive benefit to us owners.
Europe was differently from a technical standpoint (the cars already used Type 2 plugs because of rules there and the need for three phase charging, so the plugs were already larger and more expensive/annoying to use, and Type 2 CCS doesn't require the electromechanical locks in the plugs.)
And here in North America, the Tesla connector is a modified version of J1772. You're also hung up on this locking mechanism thing, and I feel like maybe you've never seen a Tesla connector in use before. Because the car is where the locking mechanism is on our cars. The locking mechanism on a Combo 1 connector is literally a mechanical pivot. You've apparently never seen a J1772 AC charger or a Combo 1 charger before either.
This thread is about an ADAPTER in any case. So your fixation on anything else is irrelevant. We want an adapter. It would be great of Tesla transitioned to Combo 1 connectors, but we want an adapter. Just like the ChaDeMo adapter exists, we want a CCS Combo 1 adapter.
