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The article said the inventory car does exist as demo/test drive cars and some are also from cancelled order. I think it's no difference from other markets including US. Sales through Tmall is just a way to sell inventory cars and I don't see it has much difference than selling directly from stores.
RobStark
Well-Known Member
That magazine does not quote Musk saying that it simply says "Until the end of 2014 Tesla will deliver 200 to 300 cars per week to Germany, so about 1000 a month"
He did say not succeeding in Germany is a bad sign. He also thought Tesla would do quite poorly initially in China. Early success in China trumps early disappointment in Germany.
chickensevil
Active Member
Given the latest commentary from the Earnings Call on this target I don't see a miss of the 30% mark as possible.
Pretty much saying there is no way they don't get at least 30%
RobStark
Well-Known Member
Elon has said Model 3 ~$35k not under $35k. I supposed Tesla lawyers could argue $39k is about/roughly $35k.
Elon has used much stronger language with regards to cost reductions at the GF. He has said 30% savings is in the bag, so I believe him.
Elon has used much stronger language with regards to cost reductions at the GF. He has said 30% savings is in the bag, so I believe him.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
In the past he's also used the term "In today's dollars" regarding the 3 price, though I haven't heard that lately.
chickensevil
Active Member
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31 locations. Asia is listed at 34 with three of them being in Japan, which makes 31 in China when you include Hong Kong.
It looks like 31 Supercharger locations, each with multiple plugs of course, are live in China.
Superchargers
Great work by Tesla's employees in China and also the Utilities and construction workers in China.
GSP
PS. Elon said he was impressed by the quality of the recruits Tesla is finding in China.
Superchargers
Great work by Tesla's employees in China and also the Utilities and construction workers in China.
GSP
PS. Elon said he was impressed by the quality of the recruits Tesla is finding in China.
This was my post in the European market situation and outlook thread. It is good to see such expansion in Europe, but I don't see the same kind of expansion in Asia/China, which is supposed to be a rapidly growing market for Tesla. There are currently 2 Stores and 4 service centers coming soon in China, and the amount of superchargers hasn't changed much at all. I wonder if Asia is turning out not as well as Europe in terms of demand?
StapleGun
Member
An interesting point and thanks for gathering the data! It seems like there is a natural lag between Tesla's introduction of the Model S in a new market and the growth of service and charging infrastructure there. Tesla has been selling in Europe for 16 months, whereas they have only been selling in China for 6 months. So even if the demand is constant and equal there would be 2.7x as many cars needing service and using supercharges.
I think the store numbers might be more telling, because opening stores is one of the main indicators of where Tesla wants to grow demand. So naively this would make me think they are happy with demand in China but would like more in Europe. It is also possible that China simply gets more demand per store since they have more mega-cities which can be served by a single large store for now.
I went to a mall today and as I was unpacking my kids (2.5 and 4 months old) from my S a young Asian couple came up to me. The lady asked if I could tell her what car seat I use for the baby (Chicco) as she is pregnant and they have a Tesla back in China.
I asked some questions and found out they got it in June, in the 2nd batch of cars delivered to China. They say in China it is a very fair price, especially with the lower import tax rate. They said they are almost at 40 Superchargers in China and Tesla is growing very fast in China from what they know. They said Tesla is still very popular and sold out in China. They do not own the stock but they have friends who do and have made a lot of money on it.
This is is all stuff we already know and have discussed on here but it was nice to get confirmation of the demand and perception of Tesla from a couple of young Chinese citizens visiting the US. They are very happy with their Tesla back home.
I asked some questions and found out they got it in June, in the 2nd batch of cars delivered to China. They say in China it is a very fair price, especially with the lower import tax rate. They said they are almost at 40 Superchargers in China and Tesla is growing very fast in China from what they know. They said Tesla is still very popular and sold out in China. They do not own the stock but they have friends who do and have made a lot of money on it.
This is is all stuff we already know and have discussed on here but it was nice to get confirmation of the demand and perception of Tesla from a couple of young Chinese citizens visiting the US. They are very happy with their Tesla back home.
That is great to hear. As you said we know all that info but still really great to get a 1st hand account...(or second now I guess)
Tesla's Supercharger maps create an unrealistic impression. Tesla draws 265 mile (or so) radius circles around each SC. Thus, SCs separated by 500 miles appear to have continuous coverage between them. For example, the map shows continuous shading between Beijing and Qingdao, but it's 445 miles by the shortest route.
The 265-mile circles are (sort of) reasonable for asking the question, "Where can I drive from a Supercharger?" You'd want to use much smaller circle, though, if you wanted to know what points you could drive between and still charge your car.
The 265-mile circles are (sort of) reasonable for asking the question, "Where can I drive from a Supercharger?" You'd want to use much smaller circle, though, if you wanted to know what points you could drive between and still charge your car.
The Blue Owl
Endangerous Herbivore
Great point. Someone else, I don't remember who, posted this link here before, but I'm repeating it because it's relevant to your point (and also very useful in general):
Superchargers
It shows the current status of supercharger construction, and it doubles as a trip planner. It requires a bit more clicking than necessary, but after you choose your radius, you can turn off all the circles (which are enabled by default) and only enable the ones you're interested in. The variable radius makes it useful for trip planning.
For instance, this is what it looks like for China with a radius of 130 miles:
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