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Cash for clunkers isn’t what I had in mind. A well cared for old car can still burn cleanly. I was thinking in terms of getting the clunkers that don’t pass emission tests off the road.History:
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Cash for clunkers isn’t what I had in mind. A well cared for old car can still burn cleanly. I was thinking in terms of getting the clunkers that don’t pass emission tests off the road.History:
Cash for clunkers isn’t what I had in mind. A well cared for old car can still burn cleanly. I was thinking in terms of getting the clunkers that don’t pass emission tests off the road.
From a quantitative perspective for total cost one has to consider GHG production during the entire value chain from the perspective of climate not carbon neutrality. I don't know the answer to that--however if we put the environment into the total cost of ownership I have my reservations.When it comes to the environment, I think way too much resources are spent on dealing with carbon dioxide. Would our tax dollars be better spent on cleaning the emissions of coal burning plants worldwide? Deal with the real pollutants like all of the unfiltered ash that gets spewed into the air from China and South Asia. Old ICE vehicles that don’t completely burn gasoline and diesel spew a lot of pollutants as well. Maybe if we focus on getting those vehicles off the road instead of eliminating all ICE vehicles would be a more efficient use of our tax dollars. I think ICE will be gone within a few generations. But in the meantime, I think it would be more practical to focus on the ICE vehicles that are spewing smoke out of their tailpipes.
I don't think anyone is saying that.I believe it would be a common sense short-term solution to go after that 13% instead of telling everybody who owns an ICE vehicle to junk it now and buy EV.
That's a good start, but diesel's are among the worse.Well, I’m trying not to overthink it too much. I read somewhere a few years back that 13% of automobiles were causing 87% of the pollution. I believe it would be a common sense short-term solution to go after that 13% instead of telling everybody who owns an ICE vehicle to junk it now and buy EV. The public will revolt against that, and set the clean environment movement back. I’ll write my Congressman and see what he says.
You have to consider this matter from the point of view of oil used for the whole transportation. In the USA transportation uses 60% of oil. Consider how much oil would be saved (and not burned!) if the whole transportation would be electrified!Well, I’m trying not to overthink it too much. I read somewhere a few years back that 13% of automobiles were causing 87% of the pollution. I believe it would be a common sense short-term solution to go after that 13% instead of telling everybody who owns an ICE vehicle to junk it now and buy EV. The public will revolt against that, and set the clean environment movement back. I’ll write my Congressman and see what he says.
Your Congressman says what the fossil fuel industry tells him to say.Well, I’m trying not to overthink it too much. I read somewhere a few years back that 13% of automobiles were causing 87% of the pollution. I believe it would be a common sense short-term solution to go after that 13% instead of telling everybody who owns an ICE vehicle to junk it now and buy EV. The public will revolt against that, and set the clean environment movement back. I’ll write my Congressman and see what he says.
Your Congressman says what the fossil fuel industry tells him to say.
OK, fine. Now convince millions of Americans driving ICE of that. Vilifying them all will not get you the results you want. Transitioning from ICE to BEV has to be done smartly. Vilifying the oil industry gets you nowhere as well. They know that electric power has to be generated to fuel BEVs and natural gas will be major component of that power.You have to consider this matter from the point of view of oil used for the whole transportation. In the USA transportation uses 60% of oil. Consider how much oil would be saved (and not burned!) if the whole transportation would be electrified!
No no no I don't want to vilify anybody. YOU have very low consideration of American people!OK, fine. Now convince millions of Americans driving ICE of that. Vilifying them all will not get you the results you want. Transitioning from ICE to BEV has to be done smartly. Vilifying the oil industry gets you nowhere as well. They know that electric power has to be generated to fuel BEVs and natural gas will be major component of that power.
We're not talking about vilifying people. We're talking about incentives.OK, fine. Now convince millions of Americans driving ICE of that. Vilifying them all will not get you the results you want. Transitioning from ICE to BEV has to be done smartly. Vilifying the oil industry gets you nowhere as well. They know that electric power has to be generated to fuel BEVs and natural gas will be major component of that power.
Moving people to EVs through incentives is working to clean emissions.Wind and Solar has a loooong way to go. Check out energy consumption worldwide. This is why banging the gong to get people off fossil fuels will go nowhere. But cleaning our emissions in the meantime is a more practical way of helping the environment. Does that make sense?
2020 Global Energy Data Shows Fossil Fuels Completely Dominate World Energy Use • Watts Up With That?
The world’s developing nations completely dominate global energy use and emissions and are unwaveringly committed to future economically driven increased use of fossil fuels for energy growth with resulting future increases of global CO2 emissions.wattsupwiththat.com
Shouldn't quoting wattsupwiththat.com have this moved to the climate denial thread?Wind and Solar has a loooong way to go. Check out energy consumption worldwide. This is why banging the gong to get people off fossil fuels will go nowhere. But cleaning our emissions in the meantime is a more practical way of helping the environment. Does that make sense?
2020 Global Energy Data Shows Fossil Fuels Completely Dominate World Energy Use • Watts Up With That?
The world’s developing nations completely dominate global energy use and emissions and are unwaveringly committed to future economically driven increased use of fossil fuels for energy growth with resulting future increases of global CO2 emissions.wattsupwiththat.com
No because there is no way to meaningfully "clean up" fossil fuels.Does that make sense?
No, and it's already been explained why, but you don't seem interested in hearing it.I just think the smartest thing to do for our environment is to channel funds towards cleaning emissions worldwide instead of being so fixated on carbon dioxide. Make sense?