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In the blog post I mentioned earlier there was a link to the following page:
FPL | Electric Vehicles

If you check the PDF files on that page, one of them is about apartments and condos:
PDF File: http://www.fpl.com/environment/electricvehicles/mud.pdf

There are three options mentioned in the PDF. Maybe if you talk to these people they might come up with a solution.
  • Connect charging station to the residents’ existing electricity service meter.
  • Bill users precisely for usage – through smart charging equipment or metering devices
  • If an EVSP is selected for installation of charging equipment, users would pay the
    EVSP directly and the EVSP would reimburse the HOA or building management for
    electricity consumption
 
Nigel, in the quick search I made I couldn't find any similar US law. The reason I mentioned the Canadian law is because there might be something similar in the US. If the OP decides to talk to a lawyer he can ask if there is such a law or not. If there is, this could be mentioned in the letter as a possible violation. It is just an idea.
 
In the blog post I mentioned earlier there was a link to the following page:
FPL | Electric Vehicles

If you check the PDF files on that page, one of them is about apartments and condos:
PDF File: http://www.fpl.com/environment/electricvehicles/mud.pdf

There are three options mentioned in the PDF. Maybe if you talk to these people they might come up with a solution.
  • Connect charging station to the residents’ existing electricity service meter.
  • Bill users precisely for usage – through smart charging equipment or metering devices
  • If an EVSP is selected for installation of charging equipment, users would pay the
    EVSP directly and the EVSP would reimburse the HOA or building management for
    electricity consumption

Thanks for the link, but I found that months ago. I even emailed FP&L. Their reply essentially said, "We understand. Good luck."

First bullet point: Not possible. My meter is on the 21st floor. Car is on the 3rd.
2: Charging stations cost thousands of dollars. The outlet was a bargain, comparatively. I suggested a non-power company meter like an RV park or boat dock. They (he) originally wanted monthly billing for easy admin. I agreed. I would pay less with a meter, assuming they charge me for the same rate the HOA pays.
3: I looked into this when I asked to put it in my spot. I pay for all the electricity; all the installation; they get $25/month forever for their trouble. They deal with the HOA. I thought this was a rip-off at the time. Now I see why they get $25/month.

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Nigel, in the quick search I made I couldn't find any similar US law. The reason I mentioned the Canadian law is because there might be something similar in the US. If the OP decides to talk to a lawyer he can ask if there is such a law or not. If there is, this could be mentioned in the letter as a possible violation. It is just an idea.

Thanks. It was a good idea. I posted this in the "Florida" rather than the "Charging" section after some thought. I was hoping somebody down here knew of a state or local statute that may help. I didn't know of any, but I'm hardly a condo expert. I've learned a lot, and suggestions/moral support from everywhere are appreciated.

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I think you could talk to a lawyer and have a letter sent to the board threatening to sue them. There must be a consumer protection law they are violating. Charging an extortionate fee for electricity could be a possible subject or diminishing property value by not allowing modern transport technology could be another possible subject they could mention in the letter.

Here is a possible contact:
West Palm Beach Litigation Attorney :: Laura Manning-Hudson :: Palm Beach Condo Lawyer
Progressive Condo Associations Working to Accommodate Electric Cars - Florida HOA Lawyer Blog

They do arbitration too. Maybe they can negotiate a deal on your behalf.
Miami Arbitration Attorney :: Arbitrations & Mediations :: Boca Raton Mediation Lawyer

Thanks, but I'm not interested in the lawyer option. Once lawyers get involved, I've heard things like this can take on a life of their own sometimes (as if it hasn't already.)

If we can't work it out, I'm hoping a for the SuperCharger near me. I think the likelihood is high as Ft Lauderdale is near the intersection of two major interstates and the Tesla map has an "end of 2014" dot near that location. That's just a few miles from me, but it's not in yet so you never know.
 
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This is all I could come up with when dealing with HOAs and condo associations but we are gonna have to start somewhere

HOAs and Clotheslines | CMCAcorner

When it comes to the attorney you might want to get a legal opinion, can't hurt and you never know what you might find out, and it has to be better than my clothes line link

Also check out FS163.04 you could always put up some solar panels and the board would be powerless to stop you, might make a good bargaining chip when negotiating the use of the outlet
 
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This is all I could come up with when dealing with HOAs and condo associations but we are gonna have to start somewhere

HOAs and Clotheslines | CMCAcorner

When it comes to the attorney you might want to get a legal opinion, can't hurt and you never know what you might find out, and it has to be better than my clothes line link

Also check out FS163.04 you could always put up some solar panels and the board would be powerless to stop you, might make a good bargaining chip when negotiating the use of the outlet

Ha ha, that's great! I can hang my laundry out to dry on my balcony. Nobody in my building would see it, but the building I'm facing would probably let me charge over there if I take it down.

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You could check the adds on this website to see if there is something suitable until the supercharger arrives:

Fort Lauderdale parking | Cheap parking in Fort Lauderdale[]=is_driveway&listing_categories[]=is_carpark&listing_categories[]=is_garage&vehicles[]=accepts_cars&no_of_spaces=1

There is a ChargePoint station about a ten minute walk away. I pay to park and pay to charge. It was my short-term solution when I bought the car. It's expensive, inconvenient, and not always available. But it has saved my butt several times.
 
If you're asking about my particular situation, nothing new. The outlet sits there unused and will continue to do so until we get a new condo board president. The elections are held in December. He will probably run again. Next month I'm mailing out an owner petition to allow any board member to put an item on the monthly agenda. As it stands now, only the president can.

Yesterday, I found out he thinks our electricity rates are over 50% higher than they actually are. He also doesn't want EVs with smaller batteries using it so it's $15/per use or nothing. He's not one to ask for input, nor backpedal from publicly-announced bad decisions, which he would be less likely to make if he didn't operate in a vacuum. I'm not just talking about this issue.

I'll wait to see what happens in December before I decide to stay or go. By that time, I should know where the South Florida supercharger is going to be. In the meantime, I found out I can charge 24/7 for free at city hall. It's about a 10 minute walk away.

Honestly, I'm surprised Tesla isn't more active on the condo issue. I think it hurts their sales far more than the "dealership" problem, which Tesla is extremely active about. You can have a Tesla delivered to you anywhere. There's no getting around an intransigent condo board.
 
Yeah, I live in CA and it was very easy to get my condo HOA to approve a charge station in our common area garage. The board members knew they couldn't deny me, but I was respectful and laid it all out in a way they could say yes. I paid for the installation and reimburse the HOA via a company called Evercharge that monitors my usage, charges me, then reimburses the HOA.

In fact, I was on the local news talking about it last week in a story all about condo owners and EVs. (ignore any number you don't hear me say in the report...they are all wrong, haha).
Car charging stations zapping into town | San Diego 6 | Local News
I am in Florida and am the only owner in our condominium with an EV. My experience is similar tom yours, except for one detail; so far the Association seems inclined to pay the EverCharge infrastructure installation costs. I am prepared to pay if necessary since i am the only EV owner. The big advantages of choosing a company that specialises in condominium installations, as I see it are:
1. Each owner pays for their own space installation;
2. The company does all the metering and also charge optimisation in the event of many individual EV's ;
3. Each owner has exclusive use to their own charger, no sharing;
4. Big advantages for the Condominium Association:
1. The company provides the insurance (in our case that is a $1 million policy),
2. The company does all permitting and installation (BIG deal in many condominiums, bigger still in places like my city, famous for very comprehensive inspections and documentation)
3. The condominium is paid every month by the company for electrical usage and owners pay the company.

Frankly I am perplexed why people try to deal with this on an individually authorized basis, That is never the easy way for a Condominium Board. My spouse and i are conditioned to always seek easy 'yes' decisions for Condo Boards because both of us have been members in the past. We all need to keep in mind that the Board members almost always have day jobs so saying no is simpler than saying yes. Thus always make it easy for them.

if there is a management company it is very important to know if they have EV installations in other condos they manage, especially if those are close to yours. Mine did have two (both with EverCharge, by the way). When i found that out I looked for the Management company person responsible for the other buildings installations and induced him to attend our board meeting on the subject. That was almost magical!

The most important thing is to do all your homework on ever topic before even raising the topic. Then you might be able to counter objections before they become impediments.
 
Well, I’m the OP on this old thread. I’ve been meaning to come back to it to give it closure, and now is as good a time as any.

To answer the above question, I can’t recommend an attorney. Plus, you have no Florida law on your side so I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish. You may have some city or county ordinance, but I doubt it. Florida continues to be a remarkably un-environmental state.

However, if you would like to send me a PM, we can talk about it on the phone. I feel like I have a minor in FL condo law after going through the last couple of years with my building. I have one idea that may work, depending on how sharp your Board is.

Here’s a recap and conclusion.

I asked to put in an outlet in my parking spot, which I would pay for, of course. In short, the Board President refused and was not interested in common area, either. The President was the Board in my building. That is their prerogative, unfortunately. What bothered me wasn’t that I was told no; it was that the President and building manager lied to me continuously.

I was the definition of “uninvolved” in my ten previous years in the building. What I came to realize was this was standard operating procedure. I was unaware several people before me had tried to take on the President and gave up. Sooo . . . I decided it was my turn. I completely dropped the EV charging issue since it wasn’t going to happen anyway, and decided to address the overall problem.

The EVSE issue took several months to come to an end so I had plenty of time to think about it. Lucky for me, the Pres was the most linear thinker I’ve ever seen. He couldn’t see past the next step or even to the next sentence.

Step one was to run for the Board. I didn’t I feel I had a right to complain if I wasn’t willing to step up. This not only filled that square, but it forced my campaign letter to be included in the big annual mailing. I got to state my qualifications, and more importantly, to lay out our problems in a professional nature. People loved it.

But since I was the only nonincumbent candidate, I knew my chances of getting on the Board were not good. In any election, the incumbents almost always win, and that’s what happened. I kind of thought it would, but it was a necessary step before I could do what I really wanted to do. By the way, I still get asked to run again by various owners about once a week.

I waited until the first Board meeting after the election to see if the Board behavior changed. It did—for the worse. The Pres now felt he had a mandate and led the year off with a $60,000 waste of money.

I assume he thought because I didn’t get on the Board, it was over. His linear-ness didn’t realize that was the worst thing that could have happened. If I had gotten elected, it wouldn’t have been proper for me to operate outside of the Board. It’s much better to be Bill O’Reilly than Barack Obama. Plus if elected, I never would have sought to put in EV charging as I view that as self-serving, which would make me no better than some of them.

But since I wasn’t encumbered by any Board responsibilities, it was time to start working on a private website for the building. I had never done that so it took a couple of months to build. Once it was ready, I submitted an official records request for mailing addresses to send postcards, which the office refused. This is a violation of FL law, and it was the third time I had been denied records. For each offense, the Assn owes me $500. However, I would have to go to small claims court to collect, which I didn’t do. Plus, I had no desire to harm the Assn. The people in my building are great.

The website interest was underwhelming, but a lot more people were on it than went to the meetings. And that was enough. I attended all of the Board meetings and posted a detailed account of the shenanigans every month. Needless to say, the Pres and manager hated this. Many more people were aware now and started confronting the Pres routinely. A couple of times, it almost became physical.

The Pres not only did not seek reelection, he moved out of the building. His chief enabler, the VP, said he wasn’t going to run again, but he just beat the deadline. I pulled one Board member aside and explained to him how it was in everyone’s best interest if the VP were to withdraw. The details aren’t important, but the VP withdrew. The manager will be leaving soon.

The new Board Pres was one of my website subscribers and is basically perfect. I shut down the website last Jan.

I never brought up EV charging again. After a few months, the new Pres asked me if I would help them with putting in a common area EVSE because I knew the most about it. I told him I would be glad to as long as he wasn’t doing it for me as I was ****ing over it. He said, no, it was just something we needed to do. He still wouldn’t let me put an outlet in my spot.

We formed a committee. I did some research, came up with a proposal to be voted on. We now have a common area EVSE with very reasonable rates that cover the electricity costs with no ridiculous condo “overrides” or ridiculous commercial fees. I actually told them we should up it by $5 per month, which they agreed to. Our overall rate is only 8 cents/kWh. The EVSE has a meter they can look at any time, but of course, no one has.

During this time, my charging was a nightmare. It very slowly got better. I can’t say enough good things about the gracious staff of the Victoria Park Hotel. They have the only 80-amp charger in town.

It got dramatically better for the last 2-3 months once the grossly delayed Plantation supercharger was finished. I haven’t been to it since, btw. For the few people that crap on local supercharger users, some of us are really trying!

Well, that was easy! I know it doesn’t look like it, but I left a lot out. As a lawyer bar friend told me, you never want to piss off someone so badly that they make you their hobby. I’m really glad my almost two year long hobby is over.
 
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auger, really liked your story. I was hoping though that you had become the proud superhero and taken on the dumba$$ but I certainly don't blame you for the tact you took. Nice effort. I believe as people realize the value of EVs we are going to see the attitude change and allow personal charging in their own parking space.

I'm so happy for one of our local Tesla owners too. His high rise didn't have the extra electrical infrastructure to support EV charging. For the last three years he's been a nomad charging any port in a storm. His assn. just replaced all lighting with LED and discovered via a professional survey has discovered there is now excess power for EV charging in the garage. Now they are moving forward with EV charging in his area. Yay !! Fortunately Hawaii has already seen fit to pass statutes to protect/assist EV owners seeking to add EV charging in Multiple Unit Dwellings. State of Hawaii is pro EV and we are pleased.
 
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Sorry, I can't figure out how to reply or send a PM. I may be about to file a lawsuit. I also have an idea. We could inquire if condos listed for sale at unfriendly complexes would allow installation of an EVSE.
An unfriendly condo is at the following addresses.
20800 River Dr. Dunnellon Fl.
20820 River Dr. Dunnellon Fl.