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Converted Nissan EV cause of fire onboard "Pearl of Scandinavia"
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I can't seem to find any solid post-accident investigation report.
Interestingly the Norwegian news reported the second fire to be caused by a trailer rather than an EV: http://www.safety4sea.com/article.php?id=1839
However, the owner appears to have already accepted responsibility for the second: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/...ic-car-caused-fire-on-dfds-ferry-1321296.html
But, these guys are tying the truck fire in to the first fire so it seems that the first fire may have been caused by a truck. Quick, ground all trucks.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread618212/pg1
Unfortunate that they'll prohibit EV charging going forwards. Perhaps they'd re-consider if pukka charging stations were added.
That said; charging from the engines on a ferry isn't too environmentally sound.
That said; charging from the engines on a ferry isn't too environmentally sound.
Is anyone aware of a fire in a factory built EV?
Charging off the ferry engine isn't ideal, but if it allows you to make a much longer journey in an EV that would otherwise require a gasser...
Charging off the ferry engine isn't ideal, but if it allows you to make a much longer journey in an EV that would otherwise require a gasser...
Do we really want to dig up those sorts of incidents?
Not many, but some...
http://www.ka9q.net/ev/ev1fire.html
http://www.ka9q.net/ev/msg4.txt
http://www.tgdaily.com/trendwatch-features/35646-electric-vehicle-combusts-on-uc-riverside-campus
http://www.electricforum.com/cars/production-electric-cars/2084-zap-car-fire.html
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What's interesting is that I found reports of the EV/Pearl of Scandinavia fire everywhere, from the Belfast Telegraph to the news section of my old insurance company's website.
The Lisco Gloria? Not quite so widely reported. It made the nationals but nothing like the same coverage.
The Lisco Gloria? Not quite so widely reported. It made the nationals but nothing like the same coverage.
Does he have a) Fantastic insurance, or b) Magical lawyers? I sense the rumbling arrival of an almighty damage claim.
I can't imagine that the cost of fuel saved will offset the cost of setting fire to a ferry.
I dropped an email to Stena Line as they have previously advertised EV charging on their Great Britain to Ireland and Scandanavian routes.
Unfortunately it is not just DFDS that are being cautious now. This incident has caused an outright ban on EV charging on ships, pending the outcome of the investigation.
So Stena Line have 13, 16 and 32A sockets available, but you can't use them.
Unfortunately it is not just DFDS that are being cautious now. This incident has caused an outright ban on EV charging on ships, pending the outcome of the investigation.
So Stena Line have 13, 16 and 32A sockets available, but you can't use them.
I did reply back to them explaining that this was an aftermaket conversion and that the owner 'fessed up to bodging a charging cord together, etc, etc and that there should be a distinction between how they view that versus a factory-built EV.
But I think it is out of their hands, it will be down to the authorities as to whether this is allowed again.
EDIT: Having said that, I can't see anything in the notices on the UK Martime and Coast Guard Agency's site about this.
But I think it is out of their hands, it will be down to the authorities as to whether this is allowed again.
EDIT: Having said that, I can't see anything in the notices on the UK Martime and Coast Guard Agency's site about this.
@Eberhard
I saw your comment about picking your car up from Hethel and taking the Harwich to Hoek van Holland ferry on your way home to Germany.
Did you have to make special arrangements to charge on board? What type of socket did they have? Was it before or after this fire?
I saw your comment about picking your car up from Hethel and taking the Harwich to Hoek van Holland ferry on your way home to Germany.
Did you have to make special arrangements to charge on board? What type of socket did they have? Was it before or after this fire?
I've now emailed the various ferry companies that serve the UK and inquired about the feasibility of EV charging on their ships. Here is the current situation :-
DFDS Seaways - No longer possible [initially said they still offered it (despite me saying about the fire) but they pulled a U-turn the next day.]
Stena Line - No longer possible. I am now told it is a company policy thing.
Sea France - No, but will consider if sufficient demand.
LD Lines - No.
P&O - No and don't foresee enough demand in the near term.
Condor Ferries - No.
Brittany Ferries - No.
Irish Ferries - Yes! It is available on the Ulysses between Dublin and Holyhead and may be rolled out to the rest of the fleet.
So that means that routes which had previously been confirmed as EV friendly, but are now sadly not offering the service are:
Stranraer - Belfast (UK)
Harwich - Hoek van Holland (UK - Netherlands)
Harwich - Esbjerk (UK - Denmark)
Copenhagen - Oslo (Denmark - Norway)
Fredricshavn - Oslo (Denmark - Norway)
I am still trying to put pressure on through various groups to get this overturned. In the meantime, if you know of other EV friendly or ex-EV friendly routes and operators, please say. It would be helpful if others can contact operators about their local routes (the more they hear that there is demand, the better).
DFDS Seaways - No longer possible [initially said they still offered it (despite me saying about the fire) but they pulled a U-turn the next day.]
Stena Line - No longer possible. I am now told it is a company policy thing.
Sea France - No, but will consider if sufficient demand.
LD Lines - No.
P&O - No and don't foresee enough demand in the near term.
Condor Ferries - No.
Brittany Ferries - No.
Irish Ferries - Yes! It is available on the Ulysses between Dublin and Holyhead and may be rolled out to the rest of the fleet.
So that means that routes which had previously been confirmed as EV friendly, but are now sadly not offering the service are:
Stranraer - Belfast (UK)
Harwich - Hoek van Holland (UK - Netherlands)
Harwich - Esbjerk (UK - Denmark)
Copenhagen - Oslo (Denmark - Norway)
Fredricshavn - Oslo (Denmark - Norway)
I am still trying to put pressure on through various groups to get this overturned. In the meantime, if you know of other EV friendly or ex-EV friendly routes and operators, please say. It would be helpful if others can contact operators about their local routes (the more they hear that there is demand, the better).
Umm, that sortof sounds like they may have changed their policy in response to your query? (oops?)
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