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- Thread starter Wenche
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No, you don't get to say that without linking your "massive study." You've already shown you don't understand the studies you bring.
(Your prior image link didn't work on my phone but I see it does on my computer.)
How Many Republicans Died Because the GOP Turned Against Vaccines?
Party leaders are unquestionably complicit in the premature deaths of their own supporters.
Party leaders are unquestionably complicit in the premature deaths of their own supporters.
What we do have is a patchwork of estimations and correlations that, taken together, paint a blurry but nevertheless grim picture of how Republican leaders spread the vaccine hesitancy that has killed so many people. We know that as of April 2022, about 318,000 people had died from COVID because they were unvaccinated, according to research from Brown University.
There's plenty
On autopsy:
Myocarditis is rare in COVID-19 autopsies: cardiovascular findings across 277 postmortem examinations - PubMed
The COVID-19 pandemic, the result of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-CoV-2, is a major cause of worldwide mortality with a significant cardiovascular component. While a number of different cardiovascular histopathologies have been reported at postmortem examination, their incidence is...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
or population
The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed
Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The other issue with risk, is that's it's not a risk of one virus you have to worry about it's a risk of every virus.
The fact that the medical industry was so focussed on one thing with no regard to anything else was an embarrassment.
Once again, lemons, from Mexico correlate better. See April and Jul 2020.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The critique of that study is that they only looked at myocarditis diagnoses 10 days after a positive pcr test so it doesn’t include myocarditis that occurs during a Covid infection.There's plenty
On autopsy:
Myocarditis is rare in COVID-19 autopsies: cardiovascular findings across 277 postmortem examinations - PubMed
The COVID-19 pandemic, the result of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-CoV-2, is a major cause of worldwide mortality with a significant cardiovascular component. While a number of different cardiovascular histopathologies have been reported at postmortem examination, their incidence is...
or population
The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study - PubMed
Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in...
The other issue with risk, is that's it's not a risk of one virus you have to worry about it's a risk of every virus.
The fact that the medical industry was so focussed on one thing with no regard to anything else was an embarrassment.
“Inpatient myocarditis and pericarditis diagnoses were retrieved from day 10 after positive PCR.”
Also there are way more studies with the opposite finding.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Just a coincidence that it occurred during the two major Covid waves?
How do you know myocarditis caused by mRNA vaccines isn’t also a coincidence?
Willing to be that random doubling of the rate of myocarditis does not normally occur.
In other news, Trent Telenko is a logistics expert who has been opining a lot on the Ukraine War and the logistics, but he recently wrote about a big logistics problem that could hit the world from China. They are ramping with a massive COVID outbreak that could disrupt the world economy.
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AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Seems unnecessarily grim. It’s going to be very bad in China. But this thread seems a bit alarmist.
R0 is not 11-18 or whatever it says. We keep on hearing that, without evidence provided. Apparently, people keep on saying each variant is ~30% more contagious, which is true, and then conclude 3*1.3^6 = 14.5. Which is not correct.
And over 10 million deaths? Seems doubtful. I do think a lot of unnecessary death will occur, due to rapid spread and impact on quality of care and supplies, But that would be a lot of excess! Still seems like 2 million would be more likely.
In the end I guess we’ll just have to see. Hard to understand the exact vaccination numbers of the elderly there, but overall seems pretty poor which is unfortunate. But that is an obvious problem (was mentioned in this thread over a year ago probably) that could still be solved in some places.
Hopefully it works out better than expected. We’ll probably never really know.
PACEMD
Active Member
How many times does an obvious troll have to demonstrate they have absolutely zero understanding of how to use the literature, are just superficially flipping it around, blatantly ignoring all reality, have only interest in pretending they have evidence for preconceived erroneous beliefs, cannot answer even a simple question when challenged, not even once, cannot engage in any rational discussion, ever, have no interest at all in learning or receiving input from those who in fact know, yet chug right along, deep down knowing they are charlatans, but hoping you will not notice.........
Asking for a friend........
Stupid people think you're stupid, that's the best they can do........engaging those folks is.......well.......you know........
Narcissism is a mental illness of those with severe intellectual limitations, a total lack of perception and self-awareness...........yet one which alludes all corrections by nature.........
Asking for a friend........
Stupid people think you're stupid, that's the best they can do........engaging those folks is.......well.......you know........
Narcissism is a mental illness of those with severe intellectual limitations, a total lack of perception and self-awareness...........yet one which alludes all corrections by nature.........
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PACEMD
Active Member
Well sure, you can say any stupid sh*t you want. This is after all America, my ignorance is as good as your knowledge. We perceive an entitled right to be idiots, not the desire to refine that. Intellectual laziness till the cows come home, name of that tune........
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I quit paying attention to that person a week ago. I would suggest that rather than lack of intelligence, it looks more like it might be the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia
It seems to have become more common in recent years, but I've been seeing it on the internet since I joined back in the 90s. I admit to falling victim to it myself, though hopefully less often as I've gotten more gray hair and hopefully a bit wiser.
Sometimes I ponder how many of the text posters (on blogs, Twitter, FB, etc.) are just "disruption bots" (tm) that are AIs that just try to throw any conversation into chaos with targeted mis-information. It seems like the dictators and organized criminals of the world figured out that you can just slam internet communications with well engineered FUD and then nobody believes anything and those with things to hide feel they can get away with whatever they are doing.
Among other things, getting the POTUS to tell people to take bleach as a cure is just one of the more extreme examples of how we started getting pedaled lies from what should be sources of truth.
I wouldn't know if we have bots in this thread, but sometimes I start to wonder.
Among other things, getting the POTUS to tell people to take bleach as a cure is just one of the more extreme examples of how we started getting pedaled lies from what should be sources of truth.
I wouldn't know if we have bots in this thread, but sometimes I start to wonder.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Pretty amazing that some cities in China are reporting 1.5% to 5% of people infected *per day*. I don’t remember anything like that in the US.
This thing is really ripping. Likely not an R0 of 10 though! Obviously depends on serial interval too…
It’s too bad we don’t have good data from China otherwise we could really figure out how contagious it is, inherently.
My guess is R0 of about 5-7. Doesn’t really matter though.
It’s no measles that is for sure.
This thing is really ripping. Likely not an R0 of 10 though! Obviously depends on serial interval too…
It’s too bad we don’t have good data from China otherwise we could really figure out how contagious it is, inherently.
My guess is R0 of about 5-7. Doesn’t really matter though.
It’s no measles that is for sure.
PACEMD
Active Member
It seems perhaps more Freddy Dunning-Kruger, times 13.........a chainsaw to reality.......
PACEMD
Active Member
If Dunning and Kruger sat on a fence and Dunning fell off.........what the hell, did Repete push him?
Darwin is winning here. It's going to be decades before we've fully quantified the harm we've done.
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