I think the problem is that the transition from level 2 to level 3 is rather fraught for humans. The machine is capable enough to do many/most things well and thereby give a false sense of trust that in turn leads to complacency. Then it makes a mistake.
Level 3 requires the driver be ready to take over on short notice, but note that I said the transition to level 3.
Chappelle tells a GREAT story (its on youtube somewhere) about his first time meeting Kanye ever...before Kanye was famous. But Kanye was famous already in his mind at the time. Its a great listen. But yes, based on that story? Kanye has always been..Kanye
I think the point he was trying to make is that NHTSA may say that humans cannot be relied on to focus properly for L2 and L3, no matter which manufacturer creates it. The argument is that when the car starts driving itself, humans may naturally tune-out and over-rely on it. We'll treat it like we're in an L4 car when we're really not, and if the car suddenly needs us to take over, which is very possible with L2 and L3, we won't be paying enough attention and an accident may occur.
My bad, Dan. I didn't read the SAE levels correctly that L3 did not require human attention:
L3 doesn't require paying attention but does require being ready to take over, so no napping. Just watching videos. L3 basically says, "I can't handle this. Please help." The issue with Tesla is not about some transition from L2 to L3. The issue with Tesla is that it's solidly, solidly, solidly in the L2 camp in capabilities but it makes promises of L4 and above. L2 Tesla says, "I can handle this," and then drives straight off the road into a ditch, or straight into the back of a truck, or straight into the back of an ambulance. Tesla L2 in an an L4 dress, and that's dangerous as hell.
No where does the system say it's L4, nor hint at being L4. When you get your car and enabled Autopilot and NoA (if you have the FSD package), there are warning pages that detail exactly what to expect, and that you must remain in control at all times (L2). If you're invited into FSD Beta, the warning screens are even more intense and require a 2nd level of acceptance (a check box), telling you that you must be in complete control, and that the system can do the wrong thing at the wrong time.
You are 100% sure about that, correct? In all places? No exceptions?
That's funny. After 9 months of driving almost exclusively using AP/NOA/FSDb, I've not yet had my car attempt to drive into a ditch, or straight into the back of a truck or even straight into the back of an ambulance. I'm sure that I would have noticed had it attempted to do any of these things as I keep pretty close watch over it.
So you're saying FSD Beta is flawless you've never had a safety disengagement since using it? Majority of FSD Beta users would find that very hard to believe
No, that’s not at all what he said. You either didn’t read his post or are simply being argumentative.
If you took Tesla to court with a cause of action, and said that the car does not do what Elon said on Twitter, Tesla's lawyers will have you produce the website materials and the contract you signed from the website as part of your ordering process. They will bring into evidence what's on the screen and what you accepted on the screen. The court will likely dismiss your case.
He said FSDb hasn't attempted to hit another car or curb a wheel. I think FSDb does risky stuff like that all the time...
If you took Tesla to court with a cause of action, and said that the car does not do what Elon said on Twitter, Tesla's lawyers will have you produce the website materials and the contract you signed from the website as part of your ordering process. They will bring into evidence what's on the screen and what you accepted on the screen. The court will likely dismiss your case.
The SEC is different, as their rules on manipulation of the market price do extend to social media comments, or comments to the press, or any other public remarks.
I'm referring to cause of action against a company because of what an officer of the company said on social media contradicts what is publicly stated on the company's official website and in contract language you agreed to when you made a purchase, and in agreements during use (such as the text you agreed to when you enabled AP/NoA/FSD Beta).
If I'm wrong, why haven't you sued Tesla yet?
