For sure. Which year will everyone have it, that paid for it?
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Not sure I understand. Can you explain further or provide example(s)?Speculation: the more I look into Tesla Insurance data being collected, it looks like Mr. Musk is planning on a pricing beta for the 3rd Party (Tesla Insurance) for using FSD. So that they can claim that the only insurance who can provide you better rates would be Tesla Insurance with all the bugs in FSD.
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it’s clear that they are manipulating this stat just like they are manipulating other stat and using airbag deployment as the only eligibility of an accident and there’s a thousand way you can crash without an airbag being deployed.
As I said, Speculation. If its going to be 3rd Party, why not any 3rd Party data, why Tesla Insurance only ?.Not sure I understand. Can you explain further or provide example(s)?
When Elon mentioned Tesla insurance calculator, I think he just meant to mean an algorithm for calculating how safe your are. In other words, has little or nothing to do with insurance and just a method of figuring out who are safe drivers and who is dangerous.... why Tesla Insurance only ?.
When Elon mentioned Tesla insurance calculator, I think he just meant to mean an algorithm for calculating how safe your are. In other words, has little or nothing to do with insurance and just a method of figuring out who are safe drivers and who is dangerous.
I myself feel I'm dangerous, but hopefully I can hide that from the calculator. My wife drives with either the accelerator or the brake on, so I doubt she will get a passing grade. I told her about the calculator and that she should NOT tail gate. She said sounds good, then proceeded to tailgate.
Well I still think that once you say its a calculator, you don't need to disclose the score a driver gets or to show if you are eligible or not. there by its a feature that everyone who has paid can request, but still only available to the "Elite's" I will wait to see if anyone with my configuration gets is (MC1/AP3).I wish there was a way Tesla could do this calculation without telling everyone explicitly. Whats the point of the calculation if people are going to cheat ?
ps : May be they should just ask for permission to look at the driving record over the last 6 months ... (or whatever history they still maintain).
Its beta and you are volunteering to test.but still only available to the "Elite's"
I actually helped a guy from Mexico to do that, way back in 2015.Yeah, that's what everyone does. "I'm so excited to buy a new vehicle and get it towed somewhere."
2000 testers driving 300 miles each? That's sleep in the back seat full self-driving.What impact do you think it would have on the stock price if one of these FSD releases is actually mind blowing, meaning all of the testers, in week one, never had to take over? Where people are saying, OMG, this looks like production FSD, go read a book while your car drives you? And your answer may depend upon when this happens: a) this year, b) next year, c) 2023, etc.
There is nothing to patent. There is difficulty and scale in implementation. Stock price would go bonkers as people would start paying for FSD again.2000 testers driving 300 miles each? That's sleep in the back seat full self-driving.
I feel like a pretty good chance of solving FSD is already (incorrectly) factored in to the stock price... Maybe it would triple?
It seems like it would depend on if patented technology were used to achieve it and how enforceable it is.
Well they certainly aren’t mentioning the 50k manual interventions or reports of bad actions that happen with Beta. How many times did the system get intervention of the driving by the driver to prevent accidents?!?! We see this in every Beta video except a few specific drives some YouTuber fanboys post to lump up Elon. They leave out all the nonsense. But many do list the bad things and whether they are improving. Is that reported?It
it’s clear that they are manipulating this stat just like they are manipulating other stat and using airbag deployment as the only eligibility of an accident and there’s a thousand way you can crash without an airbag being deployed.
Those with some industry experience know this isn't happening soon. Maybe some very limited L3 by 2023. Jump in the back seat isn't happening by 2025. Lots of work required. Tesla has to get releases down to one day from two weeks, or be able to shutdown remotely when an unhandled case is known. Pot holes still aren't handled. Waymo finds most of their issues on new releases using simulator. How long before Tesla gets that good? Will Tesla eventually have the option to remote control cars? So much to do.What impact do you think it would have on the stock price if one of these FSD releases is actually mind blowing, meaning all of the testers, in week one, never had to take over? Where people are saying, OMG, this looks like production FSD, go read a book while your car drives you? And your answer may depend upon when this happens: a) this year, b) next year, c) 2023, etc.
Unfortunately we’ll never find out, because the improvement will be gradual.What impact do you think it would have on the stock price if one of these FSD releases is actually mind blowing, meaning all of the testers, in week one, never had to take over? Where people are saying, OMG, this looks like production FSD, go read a book while your car drives you? And your answer may depend upon when this happens: a) this year, b) next year, c) 2023, etc.
Delusional... I forgot what it’s like to be in TSLA investor threads. Please don’t bring that nonesense hereDojo
The dojo program is frankly beyond just interesting and no, it is not priced into the stock. It is poorly understood. It may result in solving the generalized problem of AI. The stock doesn't even price in the potential of disrupting the entire electrical grid in North America and Europe. Replacing big oil and Utilities, that's a wowzer by itself and worth a good chunk of the stock price. The value approaching technological or synthetic singularity? Not even a whiff of that is priced into the stock. This is however, what is implied as possible. Solve FSD, really solve it and you have solved AI. Not some hack and whack a mole like Waymo.
The contribution to solving generalized A.I. if it happens in 10+ years will be little by current dojo.Dojo
The dojo program is frankly beyond just interesting and no, it is not priced into the stock. It is poorly understood. It may result in solving the generalized problem of AI.
Can you expand on what you mean? How is dojo going to affect the entire electrical grid? Are you talking about massive power draw?The stock doesn't even price in the potential of disrupting the entire electrical grid in North America and Europe.
Don't understand.Replacing big oil and Utilities, that's a wowzer by itself and worth a good chunk of the stock price.
That's because there is zero chance. Can we put you into the dreamer category? Or where did you get this nonsense?The value approaching technological or synthetic singularity? Not even a whiff of that is priced into the stock.
Lets look at it from a different angle. A.I. is not going to be solved so neither will level 5 FSD in the next 10+ years.This is however, what is implied as possible. Solve FSD, really solve it and you have solved AI.
If only Tesla were as good as Waymo from a technical perspective.Not some hack and whack a mole like Waymo.
Dojo isn't what you think it is. Compare it to Google TPUs and it falls short. If Tesla wanted dojo capability today, they can have it, just rent Google TPUs.Dojo buildout is going to be helpful in training and fine tuning but how long will that take ? Are we talking 1 year? Will they be able to actually release FSD before the dojo is finished? Will countries outside of NA have to wait for the dojo to be finished? Not sure on any of this.
Unrealistic Tesla FSD dreams have been running rampent since 2015 and none of those dreams have been true.This is what's not in the videos and frankly this is what is interesting. All we get to see is one end result.
So no, FSD is not priced into the stock because the implication of solving FSD far exceeds the entire current valuation.
Solve FSD, really solve it and you have solved AI.
Not some hack and whack a mole like Waymo.
Is that for Chandler or everywhere ? Includes rain / snow or not ?According to Waymo's Head of Research, they have solved "vast majority of perception cases"
Would not be wise to trust someone with a solid track record of misses on the subject of FSD.... Interesting how you completely trust Waymo exec but not Musk.