You must mean L3 since L4's ADS is not allowed to disengage. If L4 goes beyond its ODD scope or any DDT failure it can pull over and stop driving but it can't just disengage or ask for help driving.
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Elon: FSD Beta tweets
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
That is correct but there is one exception: a safety driver is allowed to disengage a L4 system during testing/validation. That's kind of the whole point of testing L4 with safety drivers, that they will disengage the L4 when the L4 makes a mistake and the company can review the disengagement logs to improve their L4 system. We see that with all the L4 companies who submit CA DMV disengagement reports every year.
FTFY
Good morning. That's a misconception of what disengagement means, all stages of automation are allowed to disengage but at higher levels, certain conditions apply.
J3016 pages 21 - 23
L1 - L2 = DAS can disengage at any time without notice and immediately
L3 = The ADS has to request a takeover before disengaging
L4 - L5 = The ADS has to achieve a minimal risk condition before disengaging.
Moreover, we're talking about vehicles in development which is what this discussion is about. Safety drivers are allowed to disengage when they sense an issue is imminent. The vehicles don't need to come to a minimal risk condition before it disengages upon request from a safety driver.
With all the drugs he’s supposedly taking, would Musk know when his mind is ‘blown’?
KArnold
Active Member
He's long gone down that trail. Once blown I'm not sure you can be unblown.
clydeiii
Member
This should mean that people on 11.3.6 software versions we'll start getting 11.4.4. So far, however, no Hardware 4 cars have received it:
Also, so far no existing11.4.4 users (like me) who are still operating on aging software 2023.7.20. Perhaps we will get 11.4.7 ( or .8 or whatever) still in an older software wrapper, before we get caught up to a mid-2023 release.
May be this is the version for us that keeps the current version of FSD but gives us the latest non-FSD features?
I need the big fonts! (I really do).
I need the big fonts! (I really do).
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Well, we are Thursday of "next week" from when Elon promised the V12 livestream and still no livestream. Will it happen or will be another missed deadline? Not looking good. I'm thinking the demo won't happen this week.
It is simple de-ja vu. Elon was hyping V11 as "mind blowing" a full year before it was actually ready for release.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
He really needs to learn the subtle art of "Under promise, over deliver."
Maybe people should just give less weight to words typed onto a phone screen while sitting on the toilet at 4am
Or statements at shareholder conferences, earnings calls, interviews with the media or, better yet, word salads on Autonomy Day 2019
Right, what Elon has established for me with all of his forward looking statements regarding FSD, Tesla in general, and even SpaceX (Starship) is that nothing that Elon says with regard to forward looking statements - either timeline or capability - has any connection to reality whatsoever. What strikes me as most odd, however, is how many people actually still listen to him and report his statements as somehow prophetic of what is coming next?!?
That would certainly explain why some of them (eventually) hit.Maybe the bold promises aren’t really aimed at us...but for those who work for him...motivation
EVNow
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Maybe because he has accomplished some things that every tom, dick and goose claimed was not possible?
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