Elon & Twitter

[thx1139]

When I talk to these people, and I recruit directly from this talent pool, they don't care about politics when picking their jobs. Most companies, like mine, have a "leave your politics at the door policy". I adhere to that policy - I'm paying you to do a job, not spread your opinions about LGBTQ around the office.

Yeah, but when the management does the employees and recruits see the hypocrisy. I hired some great employees that ended up starting new practices in the company and took leadership roles including opening new offices in US and out of the country. Some of them were LGBTQ and if I didnt respect them or publicly ridiculed them they wouldnt have stuck around. If I did it before they came on board they wouldnt have.

 

[bkp_duke]

Yeah, but when the management does the employees and recruits see the hypocrisy. I hired some great employees that ended up starting new practices in the company and took leadership roles including opening new offices in US and out of the country. Some of them were LGBTQ and if I didnt respect them or publicly ridiculed them they wouldnt have stuck around. If I did it before they came on board they wouldnt have.

Yeah, that argument doesn't fly with me. My managers aren't allowed to go political either.

Elon's twitter posts are a mix between his personal life and work, and I can't fix that. But MOST companies discourage political discussions, among the managers or the rank+file.

 

[advocate8]

Yeah, but when the management does and that is what I am talking about. The employees and recruits see the hypocrisy. I hired some great employees that ended up starting new practices in the company and took leadership roles including opening new offices in US and out of the country. Some of them were LGBTQ and if I didnt respect them or publicly ridiculed them they wouldnt have stuck around. If I did it before they came on board they wouldnt have.

That’s the thing. When it comes to corporate culture management sets the tone in a host of ways, reinforcing good culture, tamping down bad.
Elon def has a much different notion of what good culture is than a typical tech organization. His methods may or may not be more productive in the long term... the type of company involved would be part of that equation. We’ll see.
And people here can mock wine on tap and high-end coffee machines all they want but they’re not particularly expensive and are part of the world he’s competing in for talent. I'm about 20 miles from one of the most successful privately owned software companies in the world and they have a freaking pianist in the [free] cafeteria, mains like pork loin in bourbon sauce, free day care, fly in beaujolais nouveau on the first day its ready each year for a party...
They employ several thousand people on a campus with a couple dozen buildings, buy talent in an extremely competitive corner of the industry and their retention is unbelievable, even though salaries are fractionally lower -- likely more than enough saved to pay the freight on the extras. People work long hours but they stay because the culture makes them care about the company.
Twitter is not the world of engineering or manufacturing, nor should everything be treated like it is.

 

[bkp_duke]

That’s the thing. When it comes to corporate culture management sets the tone in a host of ways, reinforcing good culture, tamping down bad.
Elon def has a much different notion of what good culture is than a typical tech organization. His methods may or may not be more productive in the long term... the type of company involved would be part of that equation. We’ll see.
And people here can mock wine on tap and high-end coffee machines all they want but they’re not particularly expensive and are part of the world he’s competing in for talent. I'm about 20 miles from one of the most successful privately owned software companies in the world and they have a freaking pianist in the [free] cafeteria, mains like pork loin in bourbon sauce, free day care, fly in beaujolais nouveau on the first day its ready each year for a party...
They employ several thousand people on a campus with a couple dozen buildings, buy talent in an extremely competitive corner of the industry and their retention is unbelievable, even though salaries are fractionally lower -- likely more than enough saved to pay the freight on the extras. People work long hours but they stay because the culture makes them care about the company.
Twitter is not the world of engineering or manufacturing, nor should everything be treated like it is.

Sounds like an industry ripe for disruption, if they have margins fat enough to do stuff like that.

 

[ElectricIAC]

Those who were likely to be a detriment or did not fit with the new mission needed to be removed, no two buts about it.

The age of excess in big tech is likely coming to a halt across the board.

 

[ohmman]

Sounds like an industry ripe for disruption, if they have margins fat enough to do stuff like that.

It's driven more by the lack of quality talent, and the desire to lure them to work for you. Same happened/is happening in the quant space. We had a lot of seemingly "excessive" perks (free lunch, barista, game and beer room, etc) because pay was already so high that competing on a five or ten thousand a year wasn't the same draw as adding perks that cost significantly less.

 

[bkp_duke]

It's driven more by the lack of quality talent . . .

Are you trying to get me started on a rant about the education system?

/me resists

 

[advocate8]

Those who were likely to be a detriment or did not fit with the new mission needed to be removed, no two buts about it.

The age of excess in big tech is likely coming to a halt across the board.

This is def true and large cuts are likely in a lot of places. It’s also true there are good ways of trimming back X number of people and bad ways...

 

[ElectricIAC]

It’s also true there are good ways of trimming back X number of people and bad ways...

And then there’s the Elon way.

 

[juanmedina]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

 

[ZenRockGarden]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

Remember my prediction?

We're at "Advertisers flee from the dumpster-fire of chaos" phase.

It will be followed by the "Elon tries to make money off the backs of users instead of advertising" step (already under way)

That step will fail, in part because Elon doesn't understand that his best users ARE the product and not the revenue stream.

And after lots of suffering Elon will reverse a lot of changes, finally make some improvements to automate content moderation that somewhat work, and he'll have a much-smaller Twitter run by a skeleton crew of remaining traumatized workers.

 

[texas_star_TM3]

Sounds like an industry ripe for disruption, if they have margins fat enough to do stuff like that.

Pioneer Resources (oil and gas) used to fly even lower level analysts in their corporate jets to Midland from Dallas because hopping on an Southwest Airlines or American Airlines flight was beneath them... talking about fat margins I guess

 

[bkp_duke]

Pioneer Resources (oil and gas) used to fly even lower level analysts in their corporate jets to Midland from Dallas because hopping on an Southwest Airlines or American Airlines flight was beneath them... talking about fat margins I guess

Oil and gas have almost always had fat margins, and some really egregious tax breaks.

 

[texas_star_TM3]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

i guess shaming advertisers into keep spending with a poll question (polls are awesome for Elon - unless it's a Ukraine poll which goes against his narrative didnt work out... is he going to whine and cry foul every step of the way now? doesn't build confidence in his new acquisition TBH

 

[texas_star_TM3]

Oil and gas have almost always had fat margins, and some really egregious tax breaks.

yes. I'm just saying. Hence i wouldn't call free lunches and a espresso machine for software engineers "excessive"

 

[Tony73]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

You mean a CEO tweeting baseless conspiracy theories does not sit well with advertisers.
Gee, didn’t see that one coming.

I have faint hope that advertiser pressure will cause Elon to start thinking before he tweets. That $13 billion loan ain’t gonna pay itself

 

[thx1139]

Elon just doesnt get it. Advertisers dont want there advertisement showing up next to crap. I give an example if you owned a restaurant would you want your advertisement to show up between tweets of pieces of literal crap?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

 

[Daniel in SD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525549535786717184

 

[advocate8]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588538640401018880

Elon could prob saved much of that lost-forever-revenue by simply not posting that ignorant Pelosi attack tweet.

 

[ElectricIAC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525549535786717184

You shouldn’t take everything so literally.
He was making a remark on how that was the perception when he announced he was buying.

And to think, All they had to do was unban the Babylon Bee and they’d still have their megaphone.