Xepa777
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Mods: “don’t talk about politics”
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Elon & Twitter
- Thread starter Buckminster
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meme lord Elon >>>>> political axe grinder Elon
ZenRockGarden
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Elon says this is misinformation, but well Elon is OK with misinformation.
Twitter will no longer enforce its COVID misinformation policy
Public health experts and social media researchers are concerned that the change could have serious consequences if it discourages vaccination and other efforts to combat the still-spreading virus.www.npr.org
Apparently, mis-information is free speech and "good" for democracy. I kinda disagree, but if Elon says so, it must be right!
Ok wow. So I wasn’t alone with that.
Where is this edict/posting number from a moderator? I can relate, since I posted something at the intersection of Twitter and politix here and it just disappeared, but it went with the convo flow. Is this forum about Twitter
"investor" discussions, like the Tesla investor thread (that makes little sense, since TWTR is private now). TLDR time.
Incredibly...people may not know this...Biden wasn't President in 2020.
Taibbi confirms requests for "suppression" (if that's what we're calling it) were made (and honored) by both the Trump and Biden campaigns.
One problem - Trump was the executive branch of the government. That's the government directing speech be taken down - a violation of the 1st amendment.
So, to summarize:
-We have Elon tweeting out on a Friday night (Friday Night News Dump is a thing) some big story coming. It's late because of "fact checking" but he assures us it'll be the truth about the Hunter Biden laptop story.
-Finally, Matt Taibbi starts slow dripping out tweets.
-When we get to any actual substance, it appears requests are made (and honored) to remove tweets - the tweets are of unauthorized photos of Hunter Biden nude (possibly a violation of the law if not taken down).
-Taibbi says these kinds of requests were made (and honored) by both campaigns.
-One is effectively a violation of the 1st Amendment - those made by Trump officials as they are the federal government.
Just an incredible self own. But I don't think Elon or any of these "BUT TWITTER IS SUPPRESSING MUH FREE SPEECH" people are smart enough to even realize it. Because they've already decided on their narrative.
ZenRockGarden
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Clearly we need more porn, and more revenge porn on Twitter in order to protect democracy
ZenRockGarden
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I'm waiting for the next Twitter-news-dump to reveal that Hillary is hiding children under a pizza place in order to harvest them for their blood and organs. Twitter was suppressing the naked pictures of the children. You heard it here first!
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mach-edriver
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Will MAGAts buy razor blades and pillows to support the Golden Boy and stick it to The Establishment? Maybe. Will they buy cars to replace buyers disaffected the Tesla? doubtful.
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ZenRockGarden
Active Member
Trying to reel this back to at least somewhat-twitter-related.
I'd honestly like to understand what Elon's actual plans for 'free speech' on twitter are. not the completely nonsense free-speech absolutist crap. The actual stuff he's really implementing.
Misinformation - is it allowed or not? Seems to be yes.... except if it leans the wrong way
Hate speech - mixed bag - some long proven haters being reinstated as others are banned
Porn - again unclear - our big news drop seems to boil down to Elon being mad some dick-pics were suppressed
Scams - I dunno but I think catfishing and lying are not against the law - does Twitter 2.0 care about this dimension?
Impersonation - apparently no, especially if it annoys the boss
Drugs - haven't seen much on this. Weed is legal in some regions... will be interesting to see what "free speech" in Twitter has on it
Feel free to add to this. This is what actual moderation looks like - almost nothing up above is against Federal Law or being banned by the US government, it's more about what's appropriate on a social platform. It is messy and complicated and involves a lot of restrictions on things that are not illegal.
I'd honestly like to understand what Elon's actual plans for 'free speech' on twitter are. not the completely nonsense free-speech absolutist crap. The actual stuff he's really implementing.
Misinformation - is it allowed or not? Seems to be yes.... except if it leans the wrong way
Hate speech - mixed bag - some long proven haters being reinstated as others are banned
Porn - again unclear - our big news drop seems to boil down to Elon being mad some dick-pics were suppressed
Scams - I dunno but I think catfishing and lying are not against the law - does Twitter 2.0 care about this dimension?
Impersonation - apparently no, especially if it annoys the boss
Drugs - haven't seen much on this. Weed is legal in some regions... will be interesting to see what "free speech" in Twitter has on it
Feel free to add to this. This is what actual moderation looks like - almost nothing up above is against Federal Law or being banned by the US government, it's more about what's appropriate on a social platform. It is messy and complicated and involves a lot of restrictions on things that are not illegal.
mach-edriver
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Imagine if between announcing the deal in April and concluding it (albeit involuntarily) in October he had come up with a comprehensive plan to open up speech in a rational way and to assure advertisers of an attractive "safe" medium.
The abdication of moderation, the active engagement with right wing flakes, the ludicrous publicity stunts like tonight's....Whatever skepticism and trepidation advertisers felt BEFORE the deal closed must be wildly heightened by now.
ZenRockGarden
Active Member
I agree - I really would love a candid, real, serious discussion of how speech could be made both open and not-8chan-awful on Twitter 2.0
And my go-to answer is to look at the moderation done right here on TMC. Involving tons of hard human labor to reign in excesses, keep things on topic, while still allowing some areas of heated debate within the bounds of decorum.
I mean Twitter could literally make public spaces that are well regulated, and anarchy-zones for those that thrive on hate - it's a rational option among many. But no. It's just unbannings of key people from one particular tribe, and claims about free speech that are not even close to reality.
I also think Twitter 2.0 could do innovative things around fighting lies and misinformation. That'd be very non-free-speech, but also incredibly useful
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The Twitter thread is a bit of a non-event.
But there is an important principle in play here, neither side of politics should have an high priority secret unofficial back channel, where actions taken as a result of that back channel are not publicised.
There is perhaps a case for both sides of politics to have an official public high priority back channel, and for actions taken as a result of complaints on those channels to be listed in public.
With a fully open and transparent process, public trust will be higher, and bias can at least be openly evaluated.
The only exceptions to open and transparent should be for national security issues. Reporting there can be delayed and in summary form.
Daniel in SD
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I'm not sure if there's any case law on this. Presumably they felt the tweets were in violation of Twitter's policies. I don't see a problem with federal government employees doing that. I'm sure the CDC flagged tons of stuff they thought was COVID misinformation for example. Obviously if there are threats of retribution then that could be first amendment issue (IMO, not a constitutional lawyer!).
Ah yes, so we don't want the richest billionaire on Earth, who has control over millions of cars and has the power to turn the entire Earth orbit into a junkyard, to have a sense of justice and respect the law... /s
stopcrazypp
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A bunch of people in the youtube comments of the cnet summary said that and they got lots of likes. Basically said they would love it if Dan Priestley did all future Tesla presentations. Of course there is the standard explanation about Elon's natural stutter (which is not a new thing). Plus some pointed out he just presented for Neuralink a day before, and then he also has to deal with the whole Twitter mess, so likely he was tired, so was even worse than before.
As Gary Black said - part 1 is foreplay. Media needs time to wind up so that when part 3 comes out they are breaking the news rather than reacting 24 hours later.
WSJ have nothing so far - catching up on SBF etc.
Daniel in SD
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Hopefully someone asks him at the Q&A tomorrow if he will publish every communication regarding moderation decisions going forward.
Daniel in SD
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I'm not sure there was anything significant that wasn't previously reported. The problem seems to be that Elon hates the media so he doesn't read the news so he thinks he's publishing new info. Relative to its significance there is nothing the media likes more than writing about Twitter as far as I can tell.
Daniel in SD
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