EVNow
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More important stuff. Since US regulators are generally ineffective hoping E U will rescue Twitter (and TSLA).
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EVNow
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Was Trump whitehouse asking to remove tweets legal or is it against 1st amendment?
Excellent summary, and thanx for the "feel free to add to this" part...
Musk intimated that, in response to the European Union (remember that EU is larger than the US),
Twitter would adopt their regulatory framework about hate speech and misinformation, via promising
a "stress test" early next year. And also "raising the ante" by having EU regs apply to US Twitter,
because maintaining two separate versions of moderation/privacy etc. would be more costly.
From a marketing perspective, it's not enough to just comply with each country's laws, individually,
because if you are just complying with law, you've already failed because you will lose advertisers
who have other sensitivities as has been already noticed.
Oh yeah, about Elon's actual plans? He mentioned individual users being able to "turn a knob",
where one end of the filter is tuning into a Disney/Apple level safe-for-work thing, and at the other end
dialing a "nasty-as-you-wanna-be" level, where I guess testosterone rules, at least for your personal Twitter
news feed and targeted advertising. I can imagine he wants neural nets to regulate these settings.
Good luck with that!
P.S. Even if the latter were possible without potentially costly human intervention for moderation,
the societal costs of having an unfettered setting for the low-brow (the "deplorables")
demographics may just be too much.
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EVNow
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ZenRockGarden
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This seems to run directly opposite of him claiming general amnesty for those who violated hate speech rules, and reinstating assorted personalities including several Nazi-friendly folks who would be in clear violation of EU standards.
This thread "sounds good" but is in total conflict with Elon's original mantra of free-speech-absolutism, and also doesn't match his actions vs EU law.
I still see NO actual well thought out plan. Do you? Was Elon's amazing 4d chess free speech plan to buy Twitter and ADD moderation rules so that it complied with every EU restriction on public expression?
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So many posts here sounds like TSLAQ when they attack whatever Elon is doing nowadays. Not only for what he does with twitter, but also for how he sounds on Tesla presentations. Not sure what's going on, this forum used to be a goldmine of information, suddenly I find myself wondering if there are some long term disinformation game going on.
I get it, maybe I am just a naïve fanboy, maybe it's just me being delusional not seeing Elon for what he really is. But that's what TSLAQ was telling me all those years, and clearly I was better than them at predicting the future, so when I hear similar sounding arguments I don't get convinced by them.
I sometimes wonder how it would be if a singularity was happening. Max Tegmark describes in his Omega story:
This seems not too unlike what I see how, strangely opinions are changing very rapidly and groups that used to support something is now against it. Are we just pieces on the chess board being played by some much more intelligent entity? :-/
I get it, maybe I am just a naïve fanboy, maybe it's just me being delusional not seeing Elon for what he really is. But that's what TSLAQ was telling me all those years, and clearly I was better than them at predicting the future, so when I hear similar sounding arguments I don't get convinced by them.
I sometimes wonder how it would be if a singularity was happening. Max Tegmark describes in his Omega story:
This seems not too unlike what I see how, strangely opinions are changing very rapidly and groups that used to support something is now against it. Are we just pieces on the chess board being played by some much more intelligent entity? :-/
Indeed, Musk seems schizoid about this. He may be doing that "fail fast and learn fast" thing, vis-a-vis the IBM note below. Or, he may be trying some bizarre experiment where he wants to gather more hate speech as input to some
"Dojo" neural net trainer that can train against it. Honestly, his Tweets of late either seem like he's high on mushrooms,
or has a nascent brain tumor under observation of folks like Kara Swisher, or they are generated by a
GPT-3-like language automaton just to get a big-data reaction for some future to-be-disclosed enlightened purpose:
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
As predicted everyone got their golden parachutes. Musk still hasn’t found a legal team hardcore enough.
ZenRockGarden
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It's incredibly standard for everyone's stock to fully vest following a "change of control" which is what twitter just went thru.
The idea that people who were let go or stayed on or failed to sign a loyalty oath were not going to get their options was... absurd.
This is not 4d-chess, this is like freshman level business management school.
Just avoid this thread if it's not up to the echo chamber level you're comfortable with. That's what I do when I start to find it unsettling.
First TSLAQ took over the Autopilot subforum, now they are taking over the offtopic threads, soon they will take over the roundtable thread and what will be left then?
There is no way this level of dissension will ever be permitted in the roundtable thread(and that's good, imo). I think it's a healthy blow off valve. Nobody is forcing us to read or comment.First TSLAQ took over the Autopilot subforum, now they are taking over the offtopic threads, soon they will take over the roundtable thread and what will be left then?
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Elon has never said nor implied that there would be amnesty for those who violated hate speech rules. He did say all banned accounts would be reinstated but later added this:
It’s serious business when a nutty actor gets his tweeted photo of the president’s son engaged in a kinky sex act yanked from a private platform! The future of the republic is at stake! Thank god he’s going to sue. someone. for something.
The big reveal was a nothing burger.
This has distracted from how Macron/EU stuff is playing out, which is a much more serious matter re: how Twitter will eventually function when things settle down.
bkp_duke
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What tweets were they asking to remove?
If you read the thread, their direct request was that the Press Secretary's account be reinstated (it was suspended for linking the laptop story).
I'm not seeing anything that confirms a request by the administration to remove a tweet (unlike what was published regarding the "other side").
stopcrazypp
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Note from the text you quote he only said those that violate "incitement to violence" rules, not hate speech rules in general, "will result in account suspension" (implying this only applies to actions after the amnesty). If that rule applied to posts before, there are plenty of people he recently reinstated that would fall under that criteria and shouldn't be reinstated.
The only criteria that applies to previous posts is "potentially broken the law or engaged in spam". This is consistent to his previous posts, where the criteria for people to remain banned is very narrow and only falls under those two categories. It most certainly is not hate speech rules in general, which is much more broad (and is not necessarily illegal or spam).
Unless there is another post you are referring to, the post you quote does not support your characterization.
Note I am taking such a very narrow reading of Elon's posts because from experience when he posts something, only the narrowest interpretation can be used. Many of claims of broken promises come from people taking a broad interpretation (just an example I have seen recently in other threads: vector space bird's eye view).
bkp_duke
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You gave this a disagree - care to explain what you disagree with when I was asking for someone to quote the tweets that the administration asked to be removed? I can't find them, can you?
We have "left" asking for anything related to the laptop story to be scrubbed. In regards to THIS SPECIFIC STORY the "right" asked that the Press Secretary's twitter account be restored. Someone on the LEFT (Ro Khanna) even agreed in that regard.
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