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Elon & Twitter
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Well, he did say AI would be the end of us. No, AI isnt quite that nuanced on the topic. Yet.
Ha ha.
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Bet TSLA
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Continuing from the main investors' thread about Elon's credibility on Twitter...
But Elon mixes tweets about Tesla and SpaceX with tweets about all sorts of other things, along with replies and likes of various other tweets. So any credibility he might have about those things he is responsible for and knows something about (e.g. Tesla and SpaceX) is diluted by his relentless babbling about things about which he knows nothing and seems to rely on the unsupported opinions of people who know even less.
So, yeah, certainly to the neutral observer, especially journalists, Elon's tweets have no credibility. Anybody who thinks otherwise should take a careful look at his relentless spew over there rather than just the cherry-picked Tesla relevant stuff that's copied over here.
But Elon mixes tweets about Tesla and SpaceX with tweets about all sorts of other things, along with replies and likes of various other tweets. So any credibility he might have about those things he is responsible for and knows something about (e.g. Tesla and SpaceX) is diluted by his relentless babbling about things about which he knows nothing and seems to rely on the unsupported opinions of people who know even less.
So, yeah, certainly to the neutral observer, especially journalists, Elon's tweets have no credibility. Anybody who thinks otherwise should take a careful look at his relentless spew over there rather than just the cherry-picked Tesla relevant stuff that's copied over here.
mspohr
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Rand Paul weighed in on Wednesday to brownnose billionaire trollboy Twitter owner Elon Musk in Musk's still-unexplained and one-sided battle against ... NPR, of all things. Earlier in the week Musk had, after getting through his previous top priorities of stripping The New York Times of its "verified" Twitter status and replacing the Twitter logo with a "doge" meme, told the site's engineers to add a "state-affiliated media" warning label to NPR's site account.
He did this despite NPR plainly and factually not qualifying for that "state-affiliated" tag according to Twitter's own declared rules—which became awkward when journalists and internet meanies alike took screenshots of those rules in which Twitter itself had used NPR as a named example of a media account that wouldn't qualify for the tag. Twitter eventually removed NPR as its example, but didn't change the public rules it had presented.
So Elon, whose companies rely extensively on government money and have been repeatedly saved from bankruptcy due to that federal money, is just flat-out wrong on this one. If anyone cares.
He did this despite NPR plainly and factually not qualifying for that "state-affiliated" tag according to Twitter's own declared rules—which became awkward when journalists and internet meanies alike took screenshots of those rules in which Twitter itself had used NPR as a named example of a media account that wouldn't qualify for the tag. Twitter eventually removed NPR as its example, but didn't change the public rules it had presented.
So Elon, whose companies rely extensively on government money and have been repeatedly saved from bankruptcy due to that federal money, is just flat-out wrong on this one. If anyone cares.
mspohr
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BTW, speaking of San Francisco. I spent the weekend in San Francisco. Didn't see any crime or violence or homeless people or drugs or addicts. Just a lot of happy people enjoying the city.
I'm sure there are bad parts of the city just like there have always been bad parts in every city, but really, San Francisco is a beautiful city with lots of good people having a good time. Recommend a visit.
I'm sure there are bad parts of the city just like there have always been bad parts in every city, but really, San Francisco is a beautiful city with lots of good people having a good time. Recommend a visit.
VERY creative, I think you should definitely send it to Elon so he has some pointed topics, and see’s the real opportunity. I do have ONE add though, might make the point ever better.
MUSK: Yeah yeah... and that timer up in the corner of your viewers' screen? We just stopped it. That’s how long it takes to top off at a pretty typical supercharger stop. And in that same period of time our factories just produced seven more cars. If you would invite me back tomorrow at the same time, we could keep the timer going and then mark at what point ONE more GM Hummer would have been built. ;-)
Knightshade
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If you claim you spent an entire weekend in SF without seeing any violence I can easily believe that.
If you claim you spent an entire weekend in SF without seeing any homeless I can be pretty certain you've never been to SF (or never left the airport perhaps).
BTW your dailykos link is also hilariously deceptive regarding your claim the government has "repeatedly saved (his companies) from bankruptcy"--- among the examples it gives are:
The charging $ in the infrastructure bill--- which is available to anybody and of which Tesla has thusfar received roughly $0.00. And was already sitting with nearly no debt and 20 billion in cash before the bill was even passed so unclear how they were "saved from bankruptcy" by that one.
See also the emissions credits- which are also not government money. Those are credits (not cash) that you get by making clean cars. You CAN sell them to people who insist on making dirty cars, in a private transaction though.
Likewise the story (or the stories it links to as sources) count a slew of other things that aren't Tesla handouts- they're standard things EVERYBODY in whatever industry gets (like solar installation credits for example... or simply local/state government tax credits for adding jobs to an area).
The NASA SAVES SPACEX thing is even funnier... because they didn't give donate $ to SpaceX... they purchased services from them- you know, the BUSINESS OF THE COMPANY. Not only that, NASA got cheap, excellent, service from a US company by doing it- with SpaceX reliably delivering cargo (and now people) to space cheaper and faster than anyone else and without having to rely on Russia for any of it.
The nearest thing in any of it to "saving" his company was the 2010 DoE loan they took for 465 million. Ford took one for 5.9 BILLION from the same program.
Tesla paid theirs off 9 years early, with interest. Ford did not, and only just finished paying it off last year.
mspohr
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I think that GM has still not paid back their "loan".
(BTW, my visit to SF covered the area (walking) from the Ferry Building to the new Presidio Park which is beautiful as well as a few streets back from the Bay at various locations walking and driving... so pretty much the entire Bay side of the city. No crime, violence, drugs, addicts or homeless people.)
Knightshade
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Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
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Like- literally at the START of the route you claimed you saw none on.
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
Mind you- we've gone less than 0.5 miles on the >4 mile route you claim you travelled without seeing any so far...
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
Anyway, let's jump ahead to the next major street you've had gone down:
Google Maps
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Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
I'm already north of half a dozen examples of homeless on your route, and haven't even travelled half the route yet.
And that's in what's probably the LEAST populated by homeless part of the city (since nobody without real shelter would want to sleep directly next to the bay and the cold/wet winds)
If you'd bothered going a few blocks INTO the city it gets a lot worse.
Here's an SF government website where people file requests to have homeless camps cleared out:
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mspohr
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Thanks for your conscientious research. They must have cleaned these up since the photos were taken.That's a google maps view of your route.
That's street view literally at the end of the ferry building at the start, showing some homeless shelter/tents just off to the left across the street.
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
Like- literally at the START of the route you claimed you saw none on.
That's like 2 blocks down the street- homeless tent on the left side.
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
Another couple blocks there's a homeless person pushing their belonging in a big cart on the right
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
Several blocks later, this one I zoomed across the street to get you a nice closeup of the homeless person and the mattress on the ground
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
Mind you- we've gone less than 0.5 miles on the >4 mile route you claim you travelled without seeing any so far...
Another block down, more homeless (green tarp covering on left side of street)
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
Anyway, let's jump ahead to the next major street you've had gone down:
Looking to the right we've got one homeless person just past the light with a bit of luggage laying on the sidewalk...and across the street on the left another huddled down in the entry to a building
Google Maps
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Multiple homeless in tents under the awnings of weirdly a Hyatt hotel
Google Maps
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I'm already north of half a dozen examples of homeless on your route, and haven't even travelled half the route yet.
And that's in what's probably the LEAST populated by homeless part of the city (since nobody without real shelter would want to sleep directly next to the bay and the cold/wet winds)
If you'd bothered going a few blocks INTO the city it gets a lot worse.
Here's an SF government website where people file requests to have homeless camps cleared out:
10 requests per page, and even on page 19 there's 3/10 still listed as open
Can you please pas that cheerful positive message to scores of retail establishments that have closed and moved out of SF?
I am sure they moved out based on incorrect news paper and social media reports mistakenly
Knightshade
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SF government had been doing illegal sweeps of the homeless, in defiance of (federal) court orders... so I suppose you might've been lucky enough to be there for a few hours right after such a sweep hit that part of the city.
Of course they come right back afterward- since they literally have nowhere else to go. See that city reporting link I mentioned, many of which are frustrated citizens citing the fact they're reporting a camp that was previously swept out and then just came back.
italian bread
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Oh, dear.
Elon Musk Tosses Out Wild, Unsubstantiated Claim During Tucker Carlson Interview
A teaser trailer of Twitter CEO Elon Musk’s upcoming interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson was released Sunday—which features Musk making the extremely serious (and currently unsubstantiated) allegation that various unnamed government agencies had full access to Twitter users’ direct messages before his takeover.
Elon Musk Tosses Out Wild, Unsubstantiated Claim During Tucker Carlson Interview
A teaser trailer of Twitter CEO Elon Musk’s upcoming interview with Fox News host Tucker Carlson was released Sunday—which features Musk making the extremely serious (and currently unsubstantiated) allegation that various unnamed government agencies had full access to Twitter users’ direct messages before his takeover.
Elon doesn't lie and what possible reason would he have to in this case?
Norbert
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On a sunny afternoon, a few days ago, I walked from Union Square to Market St and on Market St to Van Ness. That's 1.2 miles downtown and bordering Tenderloin, passing the closed Whole Foods and also Twitter HQ (which had the "w" in its sign with normal color, btw.). I saw 1 tent on the path itself. I also walked a few times side streets 1 block into the Tenderloin area, where I saw 1 tent and 1 larger encampment. Altogether I spent about 30-40 min walking in this area, so that was 1 tent per 10+ min. I also saw about 7 police cars and about 10 police officers. Nothing else significant that I remember. Maybe there was more that I didn't notice consciously, but I tried to pay attention.
Had I walked right through the Tenderloin area, I might have seen more tents, but why do that? From driving to various places through mostly residential areas, I don't remember a lot about tents, but maybe I don't notice them as much while driving. Specific side streets seem to have a concentrated number of tents. I don't really want to go into the other questions (like Whole Foods closing one branch) since I don't really have a good perspective on these things.
ZenRockGarden
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Did anyone else notice that the great "Twitter Files" kraken kinda turned into a nothing-burger, where what Elon released was mostly evidence that Twitter had attempted to use a fairly even hand with extremists of many kinds, had responded to requests from the government to take things down in a similar manner across both recent administrations, and now Elon is saying he wants to wrap it up having shown not-much, and prefers to change the topic to a vague claim that the government had "access to people's DM's" which I will bet money was only done under warrant.
ZenRockGarden
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Or that "free speech absolutism" which he's kinda utterly abandoned in favor of just promoting the speech he likes and doing exactly what he claimed was wrong with twitter when it's about groups or views he dislikes.
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