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Elon & Twitter
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EVNow
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Ever heard of perf Testing ? Apparently neither have the losers still working at Twitter.
Explain the first 3 Falcon 1 failure then, that's not "something incredibly hard in a way nobody has ever done it before", it's a very small and simple launch vehicle comparing to what old space did in the past, tiny comparing to Saturn V, yet it failed 3 times. And old space was laugh their ass off at the failures: "See, I told you this Paypal guy doesn't know anything about space", who's laughing now?
I can't believe we need to re-litigate this again. That guy verbally attacked Elon on TV first, Elon is simply return the favor, and he later apologized.
Again, recent trial shows he did have funding secured, and the juries agreed.
When he posted it it's not discredited, and when it's been proven false, he deleted it and apologized for posting it.
I haven't been tracking this drama, but last time I checked @Jxck_Sweeney and @ElonJetNextDay is still active on twitter.
Also didn't track this drama, but NPR themselves claimed that "Federal funding is essential to public radio's service to the American public"
And has any anti-Musk/anti-Tesla idiots apologized for their lies and FUDs about Musk and Tesla? Never. So who is the better angel here?
Model 3 also had big increase in sales in 2018/2019 time frame, comparing to 2016/2017, so the sales # argument doesn't make sense.
And there're many many explanations you can give product-wise, just look at all the FUDs main stream media created for Tesla: Mass recalls, fires, FSD delay/accidents (Dan O'Dowd paid for anti-Tesla ads), "brake doesn't work", price hike, price drop, etc etc.
I'm not claiming it has no effect whatsoever, I'm saying there's no evidence to show it has any effect.
stopcrazypp
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The Falcon 1 failure doesn't quite fit as an analogy though given Twitter is not a new or small startup, Spaces is not a new platform. And what Falcon 1 was trying to accomplish was also still unprecedented being the first private example of its type. I haven't followed SpaceX back then, but from what I can find the general consensus back then was it was a difficult challenge for a small company to accomplish (it still largely remains true today). None of that applies to this Twitter Space debacle, which seemed entirely avoidable.
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TSLY
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How do you spell "false equivalency"?
Twitter is a new startup for Elon Musk, he literally just took it over 7 months ago. Taking over an existing company and run it in his style is more difficult than starting from fresh, since he had to reshape the existing company's product and culture.
Also didn't main stream media say Spaces is a beta product, by definition that's a new platform.
BTW, every failure would be seen as "avoidable" in retrospect, this is true for the 3 Falcon 1 failures as well, they didn't encounter anything truly unexpected ("unknown unknowns"), just mundane errors.
Sure enough. Windows 95 demo bombed spectacularly. Egg on their faces. Still
MS turned out to be an undisputed tech giant.
Tech hiccups happen. But rarely they are debilitating. But just minor bumps on the road. On the other hand, misplaced policies kill companies.
EfficientWatts
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I think it is possible say this won't kill the company but also say that they should have better planned for this. Unlike other events and such this could have been more easily tested and anticipated, especially for something like this.
People here are too black and white about this.
People here are too black and white about this.
Clearly Spaces should have been beefed up more. However, I think that the tech should be compared to a WhatsApp call between 1m friends rather than streaming YT etc. Each listener could be a speaker and that means zero buffering and much more wizardry. Twitter Spaces is actually the tech leader still.
TMC was just down for maintenance for an hour. Layers of irony.
Will others choose to speak on spaces hoping it will fall over to get the extra publicity? Quite possibly.
Twitter should start twitter radio on spaces, a 24 hour station hosted in a studio in twitter hq. Elon etc can then take it over for interviews like last night. I would tune into a daily tech hour etc.
Turning twitter radio into twitter tv will be a killer app as last night perhaps lacked some newsworthy drama other than crashing twitter.
TSLY
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Twitter spaces collapsed because half a million listeners joined? Multiple times that number listened to FDR's fireside chats, and those happened a while ago.
I just love it when tech bros present inferior sulutions to issues that have been solved long ago.
I just love it when tech bros present inferior sulutions to issues that have been solved long ago.
I normally like Sachs, but that's a ridiculous statement to make. Twitter did not perform "great", it absolutely fell apart last night at a crucial moment, and there are obviously big problems they need to fix yet.
And it was done to benefit a objectively horrible human being, so it is a glorious event.
Is that the same "get the government boot off our backs" who went ballistic, crying for a bailout when SVBank went belly up, and he and his whining pals were going to loose some dough? What a tool!
JRP3
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Seven months ago I had a wait-and-see attitude about the Twitter takeover, even though worried about Elon's share sales and the tanking of Tesla's share price. Seven months later (seems like seven years!), Twitter is overwhelmed by hate speech of every type. Tesla share price has not recovered. And this arguably most important Twitter initiative since Elons take-over--the launch of a presidential candidate--an abject and embarrassing failure.
By "misplaced policies kill companies"--do you mean a company CEO's promotion of the racist, fascist right-wing radical fringe? That policy? and which companies were you thinking of?
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