This is simply incorrect. The games themselves are third-party, but Tesla had to develop the framework to run them and adapt controls for them.
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Enough with the Games, already.
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Garlan Garner
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As long as I can play them....they could have been developed and owned by martians.
Time really flies at Super Chargers.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Yeah- not really though.
The car is already running Linux.
Linux atari emulators have been available longer than Tesla has been a company.
Including support for USB controllers.
It's an off-the-shelf product Tesla didn't really need to do anything for other than load it into the car and add a menu to launch it.
Likewise the non-atari games have all been ported by the original third-party developers to run on the Linux install in a Tesla- not by Tesla themselves. So again Tesla didn't have to really do anything besides load it to the car and add a menu button for it.
Knightshade
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I don't. One has literally nothing to do with the other.
It'd be like being upset the grocery store is out of your favorite ice cream but then somehow ALSO being mad their bathrooms are always clean. It's not like the janitor would otherwise be ordering product. (doubly so when the janitor is a third party not even employed by the store).
I don't think it- I know it. As should anyone who has actually read this thread because it contains
repeated examples of folks who SAY they don't understand this and instead think the people doing one could instead be doing the other.
Not sure how you missed all of them.
KrenGrl
Banned
But sometimes it hurts the sale. Neighbor wanted to go out on the road with me, interesting in model 3. Afterwards, thought Tesla was not taking car design seriously by building in games and farts. Decided to buy something else. I saw the new car in his driveway last week and it wasn't a Tesla
I see both sides of this. Logically, I'm inclined to agree with you about the two issues being unrelated. As someone who paid for FSD almost three years ago and doesn't play fart sounds, my frustration is justified.
Let's agree that Elon has spent at least a few minutes tweeting about and playing games. On one hand, Elon is probably not qualified to work on FSD software so there's no opportunity cost to his tweeting. I would also add that Autonomy Day was a good demonstration of how important FSD is to the company. On the other hand, games/Easter eggs are a waste of time in the eyes of many and an indicator that the senior leadership team is distracted.
So while Tesla may be years ahead of the competition, many of their customers get worked up if they have to wait a few hours for a software update. Getting FSD in a Tesla years before it is available in a Ford is not the criteria. FSD is overdue and they want it now.
Well, you simply refuse to understand that people don’t like getting fluff instead of substance for a product that cost a lot of money.
I may have missed some people in this thread that genuinely think it’s the same SW engineers working on farts and summon.
It really doesn’t matter. What matters is the final product and if many months go by with multiple updates that add games but don’t fix bugs or deliver promised features (where’s enhanced summon, really?) then there’s a problem.
In general, you and a lot of Tesla aficionados seem to be of the beta-is-ok and geeky mindset that evolved since the mid 90s.
Personally I have that attitude for free or cheap things. Like gmail or candy crush.
The games are fun but if important functions are lacking or missing, it gets irritating. It’s not just about “games have nothing to do with other functions, you stooopid”.
But sometimes it hurts the sale. Neighbor wanted to go out on the road with me, interesting in model 3. Afterwards, thought Tesla was not taking car design seriously by building in games and farts. Decided to buy something else. I saw the new car in his driveway last week and it wasn't a Tesla
Simply ...... If he thinks a car can't be fun, then he's the wrong person for a Tesla. Hope he enjoys his BMW.
M109Rider
Active Member
What’s it like to buy a Tesla, then be bitter 24/7 because you still believe resources from a billion dollar company are NOT managed as well as you could manage them. ?
I have absolutely no doubt, that if all features you feel ENTITLED to, suddenly arrived tomorrow morning in your car, you would be whining about something else within hours.
What’s that like ?
Naturally, I would love it if 100% of the respondents agreed with me, but I've learned a good bit about software development and also heard some good arguments for why games are good for the brand. Perhaps my skepticism for their value is simply misplaced ire over the other software flaws that seem like they should be the priority. Anyhoo, thanks, all, for the food for thought.
I love it! Driving the P3 is totally awesome!What’s it like to buy a Tesla, then be bitter 24/7 because you still believe resources from a billion dollar company are NOT managed as well as you could manage them. ?
I have absolutely no doubt, that if all features you feel ENTITLED to, suddenly arrived tomorrow morning in your car, you would be whining about something else within hours.
What’s that like ?
I'd say the analogy needs to say "continuously out of your favorite promised ice cream" and the manager needs to keep sending out tweets about how shiny the fixtures are, how the mirrors are hung exceptionally straight, and how often the bowl water level is calibrated. My point being, the store customer might be inclined to think the manager had his priorities out of whack.
I’ve come to the conclusion that a good number of people just like to complain, that you’ll never make everyone happy, and that despite producing a wicked fast, totally enjoyable car to drive in the meantime while crucial software, never having been done before, is taking whatever time it takes, you’ll still have those same people complain.
But sometimes it hurts the sale. Neighbor wanted to go out on the road with me, interesting in model 3. Afterwards, thought Tesla was not taking car design seriously by building in games and farts. Decided to buy something else. I saw the new car in his driveway last week and it wasn't a Tesla
If all your neighbor could see is the game software, which is stored away in a separate tray most people don’t even notice, when he saw and rode in (drove?) your car, well his loss. To have him make a decision based on that is quite honestly not believable from my end.
yeah, and it could be so easily prevented by not selling non existing features! But no, it’s the ENTITLED people. How dare they expect what was sold.The nerve!!! Why aren’t they happy with chess?!? So unfair!!!
Sigh. I don't know why I'm so frustrated by this discussion aside from maybe seeing myself in the developers shoes so I'll try to explain again.
The Games in no way detract from the development of the long awaited features and fixes. This is not an either or proposition. The games and easter eggs in no way delay FSD
And as an aside to whover decided not to buy a tesla because they though games meant they weren't taking things seriously totally Fine go back to your OS/2 Warp based computer and your startec flip phone if you hate fun and games so much you just can't be near them. Nobody is forced to play games if you're that uptight have fun quietly contemplating emptyness of existance.
The Games in no way detract from the development of the long awaited features and fixes. This is not an either or proposition. The games and easter eggs in no way delay FSD
- Porting a Game to run on the tesla given it's running linux is no more than mapping the buttons and "MAYBE" some polish from the company that makes the game Eg Beach Buggy Racing 2 was developed by a Company Called Vector Unit they developed the game for Android iOS and Tesla. here's their announcement Beach Buggy Racing 2: Tesla Edition! — Vector Unit This is not only marketing for Tesla but marketing for Them as well and likely very little if any money changed hands there as it's symbiotic for both parties. They get exposure and Tesla gets neat stuff for their Car at no/very little cost. This may not be the case for things like the Atari Arcade but that's an act of installing an Atari emulator as mentioned before and doing the button mapping ( which doesn't require a programmer or software developer )
- From experience some of these games and apps are often things that developers use to test some other minor functionality ( eg software packaging, speaker camera etc testing, could really be anything and maybe low level things like graphics rendering tests etc ) someone sees their test and goes that's cool lets polish it a bit and include it in the update.
- I don't buy the complaints about these building ill will because other features haven't been released yet. try getting any functionality improvements at all from other auto manufacturers. hell it's $350 just to update the maps in my BMW let alone add ANY functionality
- Ya we all want FSD but if you purchased a car from Tesla the upstart company trying to upset the entire existing automotive industry by doing everything differently promising unproven tech that has never seen a commercial rollout and expected it to come quickly and on schedule you were dreaming. I paid $7900 CAD for FSD and I see that as a bet on that functionality I know full well that despite their best effeorts it may never come at the level they expect it to. It's never been done that is 100% a possibility. IMO if this is news to you a Tesla is probably not a good idea.
- It's not like Tesla has no incentives to get FSD out they just unlock money that goes directly to the bottom line when they acheive that goal so any indication that they're not doing everything they can to hit that goal is ludicrous ( Tesla has a huge incentive to deploy self-driving tech. But is the world ready? )
- That said even if no software release ever had a game or an easter egg ever from the beginning you still wouldn't be getting FSD any sooner that I can say with 99% certainty
- If all you care about is the optics In my opinion that's a curse on existing retail markets. 100% of the time I'll take something over nothing even if it entertains me for 10 seconds that's better than nothing. It's the same reason Apple adds features to their OS's while long standing problems go unresolved.
And as an aside to whover decided not to buy a tesla because they though games meant they weren't taking things seriously totally Fine go back to your OS/2 Warp based computer and your startec flip phone if you hate fun and games so much you just can't be near them. Nobody is forced to play games if you're that uptight have fun quietly contemplating emptyness of existance.
Garlan Garner
Banned
People knew when they bought the car the features weren’t done and that this software was in beta and in development phase with no guaranty when it could be sanctioned by the powers that be (and not Tesla here). So no one was sold a finished product. No one had to pay for AP or FSD. Amazing people feel so entitled to something beyond development control that they need to keep harping about it or is that par for the course these days? We all know Elon would like it done yesterday and he isn’t getting his way on that either. It’s not like every other cars’ development group out there has perfected a system either.
