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I was hoping that with the firmware update 5.8.8 my charging problem would be resolved. Unfortunately not. Still the same thing. Every time after about 30 min charging is reduced from 40A to 30A. Frustrating.
I was hoping that with the firmware update 5.8.8 my charging problem would be resolved. Unfortunately not. Still the same thing. Every time after about 30 min charging is reduced from 40A to 30A. Frustrating.
If you know the building wiring and the feeder circuits are good and you have the UMC. take the 14-50 plug off of the UMC and look for signs of melting. If you see any at all (or can't get it apart because it's melted together) call your service center and request a new one. I was having problems with mine and it turns out it was melting inside and reducing the charge current.
Ok - now that we've had 5.9 out there for a little while, time to revisit this topic. For those of you who said that the car had "falsely" backed away from the max charge current, have any of you received the 5.9 update and has the behavior changed for you (i.e., does it no longer back down)?
Ok - now that we've had 5.9 out there for a little while, time to revisit this topic. For those of you who said that the car had "falsely" backed away from the max charge current, have any of you received the 5.9 update and has the behavior changed for you (i.e., does it no longer back down)?
5.9 just installed and I am going to be checking this issue very closely. Since December's software update, I've been experiencing reduced charge rates with my HPWC.
Ok - now that we've had 5.9 out there for a little while, time to revisit this topic. For those of you who said that the car had "falsely" backed away from the max charge current, have any of you received the 5.9 update and has the behavior changed for you (i.e., does it no longer back down)?
Ok - now that we've had 5.9 out there for a little while, time to revisit this topic. For those of you who said that the car had "falsely" backed away from the max charge current, have any of you received the 5.9 update and has the behavior changed for you (i.e., does it no longer back down)?
Prediction: once the rollout of replacement NEMA 14-50 adapters is complete, they'll quietly remove the "feature".
This is taking it too far IMO. There is risk in everything we do. The world doesn't live in a bubble, and electrical problems exist even without EV's in the mix. Tesla's UMC design deserves most of the blame, as the Roadster UMC, and the Roadster Foundry units never had these issues(they were by far much more safety oriented, and had oversized components).Please read the FAQ (in my signature below) for why the "back-down" is critical and some of the troubleshooting steps you can take. Just because something works doesn't mean it's safe, and when you're dealing with electrical current this large, safety is an issue because of the intense heat that can be generated.
All of your other appliances don't seem to care because they are either a) resistive heating devices which don't care or b) typically draw less than 2 amps and therefore produce 1/400th the heat at the same resistance.
The car backs down because *something* is overloaded or undersized in your particular case, which creates a fluctuation that looks like a high-resistance heating point.
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I doubt it. They may loosen the sensitivity, but I can't see them removing it. It is needed at currents this high. The fused 14-50 doesn't stop a fire from developing at a bad wiring junction elsewhere, a loose screw on a breaker, a subpanel lug, etc. It only deals with a local problem at the specific receptacle, whether a loose adapter on the UMC or a loose screw on the outlet.
Can you imagine if someone's electrical panel caught fire because of a loose screw at the breaker, and it was discovered that Tesla's safety feature may have stopped it by backing down the current but that the feature was removed? That's why I don't see it ever being eliminated.
That's possible. But it's also possible, and more likely (given the high percentage of owners experiencing the backoff), that "fluctuations" are simply coming from the transformer and are no more dangerous on the Tesla circuit, than they are on your electric oven circuit, or your heat pump circuit. I don't believe that 30% of all installs involve loose connections or undersized wiring as you suggest. I give electricians more credit than that. I also don't believe that those 30% of owners did their own electrical work, and that 100% of those installs are botched.
FlasherZ - " b) All of your other appliances don't seem to care because they typically draw less than 2 amps and therefore produce 1/400th the heat at the same resistance."
A 40A oven circuit draws a lot more than 2 amps. Likewise with a heat pump. That's why they are on 30A and 40A circuits. And I know all about startup spikes that some appliances have. Many major appliances have an initial surge when they cycle on, but then running amps are lower.
This is taking it too far IMO. There is risk in everything we do. The world doesn't live in a bubble, and electrical problems exist even without EV's in the mix. Tesla's UMC design deserves most of the blame, as the Roadster UMC, and the Roadster Foundry units never had these issues(they were by far much more safety oriented, and had oversized components).
Tesla sold the car with a 10kw charger and a UMC capable of charging at that speed, they either need to keep it at 10kw, or advertise the car having only 7kw charging capability.
BTW, software doesn't have the capability of differentiating between safe and not safe. It's just a guess.