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benji4
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Wow, it sounds like driving around with a complete automotive factory stored right inside the car... probably better to just get a BMW.
Jaff
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Doesn't the battery tunnel compromise useable interior space though?
This would not be an issue if the Fisker had a floor battery like the Model S.
This would not be an issue if the Fisker had a floor battery like the Model S.
stopcrazypp
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The Volt chose the same tunnel design too. Probably not just a coincident. However, unlike the Volt, which really needs to route the exhaust pipe to the back and thus can't have a floor battery architecture, the Fisker has its exhaust exit on the side, so there should be more room there.
I think the decision has more to do with the Fisker being so low slung. A floor battery would probably make the car taller than it is styled to be.
suxxer
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strider
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I'm not opposed to plug-in hybrids. If you can only own one car they make sense for a lot of people and can be a stepping stone to owning an EV. The problem I have w/ the Fisker is their complete and utter LYING by marketing it as an EV. It's a HYBRID. PERIOD. They're just confusing the marketplace with their deceptive advertising. If they were honest about what the car is I would cheer them but as it is they have earned my derision.
suxxer
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I suspect that Fisker customers know what kind of car they're getting, functionally anyhow (regardless of EV/PHEV labels). However, I've always been a bit curious/concerned about the drivetrain.
During the Volt development, GM publicly spent a lot of time on NVH engineering, while privately they gave the car a parallel mode to help with efficiency. Of course the efficiency turned out to be not as good as promised by the marketing department, and the parallel mode pissed off some folks. Though, it's still a nice piece of engineering, and by all the accounts that I've seen, the transition from EV to CS mode is quite smooth.
I've said before that I doubt Fisker (or the misnamed Quantum Technologies) have the resources to make a drivetrain as refined as the Volt. Early drive reviews of the Karma seem to confirm that suspicion.
During the Volt development, GM publicly spent a lot of time on NVH engineering, while privately they gave the car a parallel mode to help with efficiency. Of course the efficiency turned out to be not as good as promised by the marketing department, and the parallel mode pissed off some folks. Though, it's still a nice piece of engineering, and by all the accounts that I've seen, the transition from EV to CS mode is quite smooth.
I've said before that I doubt Fisker (or the misnamed Quantum Technologies) have the resources to make a drivetrain as refined as the Volt. Early drive reviews of the Karma seem to confirm that suspicion.
Jaff
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Bang on strider!...if all ICE vehicle drivers drove hybrids, the world would be better off from an emissions perspective...and as a current & former hybrid owner, I support that...but don't call any vehicle that is not a true EV an EV...that's repugnant!
benji4
Roadster 2.5 #0476
I think that fundamentally the problem with the Karma is that it needs the gas engine to increase the performance of the car, not just for charging the battery. Worst case, you could reasonably say that the Karma is and ICE vehicle which has electric motors added to it in order to improve performance. At least with the Volt, the engine is almost always just there to generate more electricity, but not to make the car perform like it's supposed to.
Yeah, now that KERS is back in F1 they are talking about them being able to run in EV mode in the pit lane. So arguably the ICE is there to boost performance. No one is going to call an F1 car an EV.
DrTaras
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Fiskerbuzz has been compiling reviews and vids: First reviews!
In particular Automobile Mag has a long review with a vid: 2012 Fisker Karma First Drive Review - Automobile Magazine
And here are some vids by one of the Fisker dealers:
In particular Automobile Mag has a long review with a vid: 2012 Fisker Karma First Drive Review - Automobile Magazine
And here are some vids by one of the Fisker dealers:
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