You also need to consider that due to charge port locations a Ford plugging in to a Supercharger will often block 2 stalls intead of just 1.
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Ford says owners can start using superchargers today (Feb 29)
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Yup!
see here:
Mustang Mach e GT charging at California Tesla supercharger
Tonight, I drove up to the Belmont, CA, Superchargers, and there was a Ford Mustang Mach-E charging at the Supercharger station. I spoke with the driver, who mentioned they were testing it. He was on his way to also try charging at the EVgo stations, which are located adjacent to the Tesla...
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Add a few Mach-Es + Lightnings and some Bolts, to the mix of vehicles charging at a typical V3 TSC station and it's gonna be fun.
xilex
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Will old Tesla without hardware to charge on CSS have an issue charging at these new updated chargers?
My understanding is that access to Tesla SCs won't be a problem, but using a non-Tesla NACS DCFC will not be possible.
Yesterday I was at the Temple, TX supercharger in the middle of the day. There's only 48 stalls clogged by three Teslas and one ICE plumbing truck. What will we do once all the other EVs get adapters? There could be less than 40 open stalls.
I don't think it's going to be much of a problem at first because for one thing the cost to charge a non-Tesla is anywhere from $0.10 to $0.15 more than what Tesla vehicles pay. Just to give an example of the closest supercharger to my house. It's 0.31 for Teslas and 0.45 for non-Tesla NACS. I know I for one would be very hesitant paying $0.45 very often unless in an extreme need and even then I would charge to minimum I needed. Let's also hope that there's some education concerning the matter of taking up two stalls. For instance, when there's open ended superchargers with spots on either end, the driver with the front left port could park in the spot beyond the normal supercharger stalls and then only occupy one charging stall.
I don’t know about CCS1 adapter being a smart purchase for most people. I was an early buyer through Delivered Korea and other than one test I’ve never needed it.
For some people in some areas, sure, the rates may even be lower.
The nearest DCFC (EA Lordsburg NM) to our winter home (Portal AZ) is 55 miles away and the nearest TSC (Willcox AZ) is ~90 miles. We wouldn't be able to even visit Sierra Vista AZ without our CCS1 adapter as there's only DCFCs (EVconnect) there. Ditto for the most direct route to Winslow AZ via Globe AZ (EA station). Our recent trip to Roswell and Cloudcroft NM was only possible because of our CCS1 adapter and a stop at the Casino Apache's Chargepoint DCFC on NM Hwy 70.
BC Hydro has installed DCFCs in most small towns in the southern half of BC, so again, off the beaten track a CCS1 adapter comes in handy and it's why I bought my M3.
Well, for the places that I travel to, EvGo and EA are $0.45 or $0.46. So if you're someone like me, you're already paying that price so the SC wouldn't be any different.
Yeah, but try driving down the I5 corridor through Seattle or near LA or the south CA portions of the I5 and I10. It's already really busy and I've been rerouted from TSCs because they were full. EV adoption rates vary considerably around North America.
This really sounds like it will be a cluster. Advantage of owning a Tesla could be gone soon and possible it could only hurt adoption of EV’s if Tesla does not expand its network much more and make it easier for all cars to use it and use it in just one charging space.
Ohio Turnpike recently installed Tesla Chargers and CCS chargers. Now, I see all Tesla chargers on the Ohio Turnpike are open to other cars. Why? There are CCS chargers right across the Tesla chargers. Just seems stupid, especially if the cords don’t reach the non Tesla cars and they take up two spaces.
Until this all gets sorted out, the next couple years might not be a good ones to be a EV user, unless I am just missing something.
Ohio Turnpike recently installed Tesla Chargers and CCS chargers. Now, I see all Tesla chargers on the Ohio Turnpike are open to other cars. Why? There are CCS chargers right across the Tesla chargers. Just seems stupid, especially if the cords don’t reach the non Tesla cars and they take up two spaces.
Until this all gets sorted out, the next couple years might not be a good ones to be a EV user, unless I am just missing something.
RTPEV
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First of all, I think you mean the next couple of years might not be good ones to be a Tesla user. Why should this be anything other than an improvement for other EVs?
Even so, I think this is 90% FUD. The Supercharger network is expanding rapidly. Opening up to other EVs will only fuel that expansion, and frankly it's no different than when Tesla rolled out the Model 3, and the Model Y, and Giga Texas. Each one of those drastically increased the volume of vehicles using the network, and yet, we are all more or less happy with how it's working out, with Tesla actively monitoring usage and providing redundancy where the feel it's needed. Add to that the fact that one impediment that Tesla has had finding hosts is the fact that previously the Tesla Proprietary Connector only served a single brand of vehicle (albeit the dominant one) was viewed as detrimental by potential hosts. That barrier is now gone, which should open up a lot more options to host Superchargers. AND, third party CPOs will start rolling out native NACS support as well, expanding options for Tesla owners.
I highly doubt they will upgrade the V2, and Urban, Supercharger sites. (It isn't a simple upgrade, it is a complete tear out and rebuild of the site. And would likely require a new larger utility feed and transformer, assuming that additional capacity is even available.)
My guess is they will just add V3/V4 sites near important V2 sites, unless there aren't any sites available to do that.
I wish. Q4 sales were around 317K. At that rate, it would take ~9 months to reach 1 million. And, most people charge at home, not at superchargers.
But yeah, I'm keeping my CCS1 adapter as well, but I'm not worried about Tesla chargers getting jammed up.
1FrostySlime
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I wonder what they'll do for some places with long stretches not covered by V3s like South Dakota and I80 between Salt Lake and Carson. Currently, any owners would have to stop at a non-Tesla charger which I would assume Tesla would prefer they don't have to do in the future.
As I said I expect they will just add V3/V4 sites near important V2 sites, or elsewhere along routes that are broken by a lack of V3/V4 sites, unless there aren't any locations available to do that, in which case the only option would be to rebuild the site. (But unlike EA, Tesla doesn't like to take sites down for upgrades/rebuilds unless they have other sites nearby for people to be able to use while the work is in progress.)
I think that expansion has taken a back seat the last few months, as the Supercharger engineers were working on retrofitting ~15k stalls to be NACS compatible. Which I think is mostly, if not completely done, now.
IDK what to say about this illustration ...
Can you say cash cow? Now let's get this stock moving 
... I know I know there wont' be any profit. It will just be perpetual with Tesla building more and more chargers.
... I know I know there wont' be any profit. It will just be perpetual with Tesla building more and more chargers.
RTPEV
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How about we "encourage" Tesla to build their sites with islands, which not only will make everyone happy, but also Tesla drivers that have bike/ski racks or are towing?
(Ideal charge port location is a religious war, not to mention there are technical (vehicle design) reasons to locate it in certain spots on the vehicle)
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