Free supercharging vs Full self driving (POLL)

[dgatwood]

Depends on how you define the question. My initial reaction would be that free unlimited supercharging is more valuable, because you can always add the FSD package after the fact for a fixed cost, whereas you cannot add free unlimited supercharging for any amount of money, and it saves you a theoretically infinite cost, ignoring the limits of the vehicle lifetime.

Of course, where that gets problematic is when you factor in transferability. Free unlimited supercharging is unlikely to be transferable unless your car has HW1. And for HW1 cars, adding FSD after the fact is... well, challenging.

 

[gaswalla]

there are HW2 cars upgraded to AP3 built in late 2016 and early 2017 that have FUSC (SC01) and FSD

 

[israndy]

Dubbed "Unicorns"

 

[Krash]

there are HW2 cars upgraded to AP3 built in late 2016 and early 2017 that have FUSC (SC01) and FSD

Maybe a third of a year of production had this configuration, so not exactly unicorns.

 

[OxBrew]

This is easy for me. FSD has a vale of $0 for me, and we charge 38% of the time on super chargers.

I don't really want free supercharging though, until they are as common as gas pumps, there may need to be fees (in excess of energy cost) to manage demand. And it costs about half as much as driving our previous 2014 Outback, so I'm happy with the current cost.

 

[israndy]

Maybe a third of a year of production had this configuration, so not exactly unicorns.

Try and find one on the used market, they are

 

[KArnold]

there are HW2 cars upgraded to AP3 built in late 2016 and early 2017 that have FUSC (SC01) and FSD

And no interior camera! Those are the best at this point in history!

 

[TwistedGray]

This is easy for me. FSD has a vale of $0 for me, and we charge 38% of the time on super chargers.

I don't really want free supercharging though, until they are as common as gas pumps, there may need to be fees (in excess of energy cost) to manage demand. And it costs about half as much as driving our previous 2014 Outback, so I'm happy with the current cost.

So neither are valuable (to you)?

 

[TwistedGray]

Try and find one on the used market, they are

I see at least one for sale a month that have FUSC/FSD. With that said, of the three P100D that I've own, only the most recent has this configuration (FUSC/FSD - ventilated seats, too but not cold weather).

I never used FSD when I had it, ever.

I'll take free charging

 

[OxBrew]

So neither are valuable (to you)?

EAP would be worth $1000 to me. Anything above that, meh, speculative and not super interesting.

I'm not the target of a hypothetical free super charging incentive. I bought the car without it, and don't need it. Save it for people on the fence who need that kick to pull the trigger.

 

[gtae07]

Hrm.

With the caveat that my basic AP only MY hasn't delivered yet, I don't see myself needing superchargers except on trips. I can easily charge at home, and can probably manage with L1 charging at my destination at least half the time on those trips.

FSD would be valuable to me if it was reasonably reliable, and I suspect my wife might find even more value in it--but definitely not at $15k. Maybe more like $3k.

 

[israndy]

The more people that reject the $15K price the more likely it'll come down, unless FSD gets regulatory approval, then the price will skyrocket