FSD beta lowers safety score

[nickbhavsar]

I've had FSD beta for a few years and love it. I understand that it is not perfect and it's getting better. My biggest complaint is that when I use it, my safety score is terrible due to it closely following cars ahead (despite increasing the gap setting between cars) and suddenly breaking. I'm in Texas and have the Tesla insurance, so when my safety score drops, my insurance premium goes up. So I'm caught in a dilemma: use FSD beta because it's amazing or keep my safety score high and insurance premiums low.

Anyone else notice this trend?

 

[KArnold]

What safety score is FSDb getting?

 

[clydeiii]

All miles driven on AP/FSDb shouldn't count towards your score, but who knows.

 

[JulienW]

Nope, only when you are manually driving.

 

[uscbucsfan]

All miles driven on AP/FSDb shouldn't count towards your score, but who knows.

Right, but the few miles you don't have FSD Beta are magnified in safety score.

 

[nickbhavsar]

Hmm, I didn’t realize it was supposed to only be manual driving. Maybe I take over during a hard break from FSD. Time to test it out tomorrow! Thanks

 

[clydeiii]

Right, but the few miles you don't have FSD Beta are magnified in safety score.

Not sure what you mean by that... "magnified" doesn't make sense. If I drive on 1000 miles, 990 on AP and 10 manually, the 10 miles only count for %1 percent of my score. At least that's the theory. If you have evidence otherwise, please present.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Not sure what you mean by that... "magnified" doesn't make sense. If I drive on 1000 miles, 990 on AP and 10 manually, the 10 miles only count for %0.1 percent of my score. At least that's the theory. If you have evidence otherwise, please present.

As someone who has done the SS dance for a long time...If you drive 300 miles, but 299 on AP, 1 manually but follow too close the for 30 seconds, the only counted drive for distance, braking, etc you were bad for 50% of the time. The 299 miles on AP don't help you or level that out. AP miles don't count for or against Safety Score issues.

There were people in early SS days getting 50s and driving 5 total miles manually with thousands on AP.

 

[clydeiii]

As someone who has done the SS dance for a long time...If you drive 300 miles, but 299 on AP, 1 manually but follow too close the for 30 seconds, the only counted drive for distance, braking, etc you were bad for 50% of the time. The 299 miles on AP don't help you or level that out. AP miles don't count for or against Safety Score issues.

There were people in early SS days getting 50s and driving 5 total miles manually with thousands on AP.

This is definitely wrong. The 299 miles on AP are treated as "perfect" miles while the 1 mile you drive following too closely will definitely reduce your score, but it will only reduce it by 1/300 the amount than if you had driven 300 miles while following too closely. I'll say it a different way: miles driven on AP definitely "count"... you can 100% raise your score by simply driving a ton on AP. In fact that is exactly the strategy folks with otherwise awful scores used to get their score up high enough to be let into FSDBeta.

I know what you wrote above feels true, but it isn't true when you actually do the math.

 

[tander]

I haven't qualified for FSD yet, so I can't say. But I can say that my safety score keeps getting dinged because of false collision warnings, also raising my insurance costs. Have turned down the collision warnings to late but it still has had false warnings.

 

[clydeiii]

I haven't qualified for FSD yet, so I can't say. But I can say that my safety score keeps getting dinged because of false collision warnings, also raising my insurance costs. Have turned down the collision warnings to late but it still has had false warnings.

All scores no matter what get let into FSDBeta. Just enroll, stop updating mainline builds and wait for FSB beta to push to your car.

 

[legendsk]

As someone who has done the SS dance for a long time...If you drive 300 miles, but 299 on AP, 1 manually but follow too close the for 30 seconds, the only counted drive for distance, braking, etc you were bad for 50% of the time. The 299 miles on AP don't help you or level that out. AP miles don't count for or against Safety Score issues.

There were people in early SS days getting 50s and driving 5 total miles manually with thousands on AP.

The safety score on my Y seems to be dependent more on time than mileage. I've posted before that my score went down and insurance premium went up when: I drove 20 miles to town in FSDb / autopilot, (around 25 minutes), waited in a queue at Burger King for 45 minutes, where I couldn't possibly have it in FSDb, with other cars, curbs, walls, etc., close by, then drove home, (another 25 minutes) and the safety score log showed unsafe following 60% of the trip. I maintained 100% score with other insurance systems for years and have been fairly successful at keeping in the high 90's with Tesla as long as I am careful not to get into situations where there is enough stop and go traffic to rack up time. Although the latest SS update cleared my history and score and will apparently start from scratch again with the next drive.

 

[clydeiii]

unsafe following measured only at 40+mph according to Tesla

 

[legendsk]

unsafe following measured only at 40+mph according to Tesla

True that's what they say, but it absolutely isn't true for my Tesla 2022 MY. It records a percentage of trip at 0 mpg (parked), with some time in 'P' and some time in 'D' with a fairly accurate % based on clock time, not distance driven.

 

[clydeiii]

True that's what they say, but it absolutely isn't true for my Tesla 2022 MY. It records a percentage of trip at 0 mpg (parked), with some time in 'P' and some time in 'D' with a fairly accurate % based on clock time, not distance driven.

We need more data here but my understanding is all that’s relevant is miles. Time is completely irrelevant. Please post screenshots that indicate otherwise.

 

[clydeiii]

This is what my app tells me: miles driven vs miles driven on AP.

 

[clydeiii]

This is what my app tells me: miles driven vs miles driven on AP.

 

[legendsk]

I'll see what it does the next drive, if this continues, I'll be happy to post the score log, but of course currently SS only shows that it will be available after my next drive? I'm pretty sure the history is gone and who can guess what it will show or how it will behave after this last update?

 

[clydeiii]

How does one get mirgrated from SS
V1.0 to v2.0?

 

[legendsk]

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Very interesting. My SS log only showed the trips as a blue line, with slopes up and down for the time I was in queue {which it classifies as 'following too closely}, and had no display of miles driven or MoA driven. As soon as my score becomes available again, (assuming it does), if the history is there I'll print it.