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FSD or not
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I bit the bullet and edited to add FSD a few days ago. I'm financing, and my non-P AWD was already going to put a major dent in my budget. Initially I didn't even seriously consider adding FSD, as even when it becomes a proven technology I don't expect my jurisdiction (British Columbia, Canada) will be in any rush to allow it.
The recent announcements about AP3 hardware made me reconsider. As others have said, we don't know what the new hardware will include, but at least it's a tangible upgrade that should theoretically make the car better for non-FSD purposes. Maybe Tesla will use the FSD models to beta test EAP and other upgrades that take advantage of the new hardware. If nothing else, I figure that being eligible for the free hardware upgrade means there'll be an opportunity for Tesla to fix anything that's wrong with the car at delivery (or after) in a crazed environment where a lot of buyers can't even a phone call back. (Just read a horrific thread here about someone who paid for EAP but didn't have it activated on delivery and can't get anyone at Tesla to give him the time of day!)
I estimated it was a difference of about $50/month financed. Truth be told, if I wasn't financing it I'd probably not be able to find the cash later for a lump sum upgrade. Rational? Probably not.
The recent announcements about AP3 hardware made me reconsider. As others have said, we don't know what the new hardware will include, but at least it's a tangible upgrade that should theoretically make the car better for non-FSD purposes. Maybe Tesla will use the FSD models to beta test EAP and other upgrades that take advantage of the new hardware. If nothing else, I figure that being eligible for the free hardware upgrade means there'll be an opportunity for Tesla to fix anything that's wrong with the car at delivery (or after) in a crazed environment where a lot of buyers can't even a phone call back. (Just read a horrific thread here about someone who paid for EAP but didn't have it activated on delivery and can't get anyone at Tesla to give him the time of day!)
I estimated it was a difference of about $50/month financed. Truth be told, if I wasn't financing it I'd probably not be able to find the cash later for a lump sum upgrade. Rational? Probably not.
I look at CBA and CEA all the time. The decision's rationality ultimately comes down to holding period.
If you keep the car through AP3's lifetime, the projected benefit is much higher than the projected risk.
Now if you leased a car with FSD in 2016.. that would be a big loss.
I think the owner not having EAP activated is an anomaly. You were much more likely to have it activated accidentally without paying for it than the inverse.
It's an Indiegogo bet.
(With Kickstarter you commit to buying the product, but you don't pay until they deliver.the product.)
Goosby
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I didn’t include FSD when I originally placed my order, but I think I’m going to ask my delivery advisor to add it once they call. Like many have said, it’s easier (for me) to justify the upfront cost/roll it into my loan than to pay a 2k premium to have it added later. Another added benefit could be that, if the software is slowly trickled out, it could keep the car from feeling “old.”
That being said, I don’t expect any siginificant FSD updates nor do I expect my car will be autonomously driving me to work in the morning in the near future, especially in my home state.
That being said, I don’t expect any siginificant FSD updates nor do I expect my car will be autonomously driving me to work in the morning in the near future, especially in my home state.
Knightshade
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I agree full FSD won't be here anytime soon.
But V9 allegedly is adding the first FSD features- so possibly things like stopping for stop signs or red lights like it does today for stopped cars- and resuming on a green light without needing a leading car maybe... this'd allow for a worthwhile improvement over what EAP does (or ever will do by its definitions) without requiring super advanced handles-all-situations type capabilities.
preilly44
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I initially didn't get FSD but added it on 6/26. I know I'm the type person who is going to want every little update I can get for anything EAP/FSD related....even though I know FSD won't be available for some time.
Also, I'm okay with loaning TSLA money to improve FSD.
Also, I'm okay with loaning TSLA money to improve FSD.
Thanks everyone for the input. I bite the bullet and added FSD. I did not order in the first place because I thought it will take couple of years before seeing any features of FSD but with probable release of some features, I decided to go ahead.
OTOH, I am not sure how the process works for Tesla. My online account is unchanged after I ordered my car last month but I have been getting emails from specialist regarding getting the car (home delivery) in next 2-3 weeks. Even I had to ask for VIN from specialist which he emailed it. No changes in online account. Has this happened with anyone else ?
OTOH, I am not sure how the process works for Tesla. My online account is unchanged after I ordered my car last month but I have been getting emails from specialist regarding getting the car (home delivery) in next 2-3 weeks. Even I had to ask for VIN from specialist which he emailed it. No changes in online account. Has this happened with anyone else ?
I actually placed my order today and have gone back and forth on this issue. For now, I've elected not to include EAP (which I want) or FSD (which I'm on the fence on).
There are two factors that are giving me pause - in California the annual fees are based on the sales price of the car, so if you add the options up front you're paying more for registration each year (not sure how much but I'm going to try and figure that out). Also, my insurance agent (State Farm) told me that they are currently pricing insurance based on cost of the car so adding to the purchase price will add to my insurance costs.
I'm hoping there is a way to add the software at delivery without including it in the "sale price" of the car - not sure if that's possible. The financing doesn't really matter to me, so I'd just write a check if need be.
There are two factors that are giving me pause - in California the annual fees are based on the sales price of the car, so if you add the options up front you're paying more for registration each year (not sure how much but I'm going to try and figure that out). Also, my insurance agent (State Farm) told me that they are currently pricing insurance based on cost of the car so adding to the purchase price will add to my insurance costs.
I'm hoping there is a way to add the software at delivery without including it in the "sale price" of the car - not sure if that's possible. The financing doesn't really matter to me, so I'd just write a check if need be.
I’d be worried that if you upgraded the car with an after-delivery option like EAP and FSD and got into an accident that totaled the car, your insurer may refuse to cover the undeclared aspects on which you didn’t pay additional premiums. It’d be like buying a tear-down house and then renovating it to the studs without telling your home insurer about it. Sure, you’ll save a ton on premiums but only because you didn’t pay for insurance that accurately reflected your potential loss.
Since EAP and FSD are basically software downloads, you should be able to install the software on a new vehicle at no additional cost if the car gets totaled.
Your faith in Tesla is much greater than most. They can barely get simple parts like bumpers in stock, if/when FSD really happens and requires new HW, good luck getting the components.
Nice to be right for a change. When I decided to defer FSD for my Jan 2018 3 many posters here predicted the price of $5000 post-purchase would likely only increase.
Of course I see in my Tesla account today it is now at what was the pre-purchase $3000 price. But though it's nice to be right for a change, I passed on $3000 when the car was new so why would I jump now? I guess the only reason would be if I believed Elon that FSD is really close to being real. And I don't
Of course I see in my Tesla account today it is now at what was the pre-purchase $3000 price. But though it's nice to be right for a change, I passed on $3000 when the car was new so why would I jump now? I guess the only reason would be if I believed Elon that FSD is really close to being real. And I don't
The correct choice would’ve been to wait and hold off on getting EAP and FSD as both can now be added for the $5k that both of us paid for EAP alone. Unfortunately, we were falsely told by Tesla that both EAP and FSD would cost MORE to add after purchase! Now the customers who held out are the ones being rewarded with FSD and EAP with a better price than we can get FSD added when you factor in our $5k upfront EAP cost.
Except EAP actually had an immediate benefit. There's no way I would have held off on not having EAP for a whole year just to save a few grand on a couple of extra features that I don't even care about. EAP was a real thing you could use, FSD was just a dream!
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