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I slept on it, looked at pictures again this morning.... Still looks like a lifted up 80s DeLorean...but a lot uglier. Stock took a nosedive, too. This is Tesla`s Multipla.

You`d be suprised how quickly new taxes get created here.

Musk might just be able to have that up and running before the BER.

The usual clickbait hyperbole.

For those who are interested: A YT comment from Nextmove about their cancelled 100 Model 3 purchase and the issues they had with the cars and with Tesla. It´s in german but has english subtitles. I think the most striking question I heard in that video was "does Tesla even care about...

At least in central europe it`s currently ~75% crap and only 25% fine. Streit über Qualitätsmängel: Tesla stoppt Model-3-Lieferungen an Nextmove - Golem.de For those who don`t understand german, which is probably the majority here: Nextmove, a german fleet operator, had ordered 100 Model 3s...

wait...WHAT!? Tesla has been doing nothing else but releasing features that are basically beta versions, that`s especially true for anything AP but also for features like the infamous NN-powered wipers. Heck for a long time AP didn`t even require any driver feedback and people were doing videos...

And we don`t need more than ~5-6" on our smart devies to have all that and now we suddenly get a ginourmos ultra wide screen in our cars for the same purpose? I´ve seen the demos, too, and I still think that design is absolute garbage and was purely made to fetch some attention and not to...

Imho that design is seriously overdoing it. I´m in a car, and since there is a steering wheel I guess I´m supposed to drive that myself for the time being. So what do I need the monitor setup of a multimedia artist for? And if that thing was fully automated and I could use the screen for...

The concept of a car manufacturer offering multiple models seems to be hard to grasp for you....

Tell that to all the people that bought into AP1 back then. Jesus, your optimism is nice and all, but with you it`s like Tesla`s long track record of broken promises didn`t exist. But hey, since I just bought into Tesla shares again I sure hope you`re right.

I`m seriously astonished that after so many broken promises some fans still give Elon the benefit of the doubt..... I´ll not believe a thing Tesla claims or Elon promises anymore if a corresponding product isn`t actually available.

and again I don`t agree with that math nor does the situation with the rapid improvements apply to a lot of places where the eco-fetishists are trying to make us swallow the infrastructure investments all at once. Keeping all those plants for backup due to the lack of any storage options while...

Making emissions the absolute top priority to the point that you`re sacrificing grid stability on that altar and accept rampant curtailment, dispatch and gap-fill costs is financial suicide....We´re experiencing this first hand in central europe atm. we just cracked the 0,3€ line for a single...

Quite the contrary needs to be done... We overproduce in the summer and then we have to fall back to nuclear and coal power in the winter months. We need massive storage capabilities before renewables can progress further over here.

Basically everywhere besides the US they are ALL very big cars, with the Model X being too big to use in some countries even.

If you think a Model X drives like a sports car you`ve probably never driven a sports car... A model X sure can brute force sprints, but that`s about it. You can`t cheat physics......

A 2.5 ton SUV drives different from a 1.5t sedan? You don´t say.... ... ... ...

A miserable quarter result and a dwindling model 3 profit margin and demand is what`s happening. Add the plans to do another capital raise to that and you got an explosive cocktail. Tesla hasn`t looked this bad in 2 years. Meanwhile looking at the dips and bounces here and there....big capital...

Considering that the demand for battery cells is already significantly higher than the production and the resource prices are on a steady way up I don`t see this becoming a reality in the foreseeable future if manufacturers want something that resembles a reasonable profit margin... I wouldn´t...

meanwhile VW slashed their production targets for the E-Tron in 2019 again because they can`t get enough batteries and still have no means to actually get bigger volumes as they`re 100% dependent on 3rd parties there which won`t change in the foreseeable future.....

7 years could just as well be a century in the IT world. Also this was posted and discussed...well, 7 years ago.

If we`re talking true lvl 5... 0% Lvl 4 (Highways prob)...hmmm 30%

wouldn`t say that. Remember when VW talked about their uuuultra clean Diesel engines? :D

Jesus friggin christ I´m so jealous. We`re now at 0,3€ for one KWh in Germany and will be at 0,32 by the end of the year......

(early)Model S --> E-Class

this is not about Tesla but about people being assholes. Go park in a european city like rome or paris, you get this *sugar* no matter what you drive as long as it looks more expensive than a garbage can.

I simply don`t care. Live and let Iive. I pretty much despise Apple, but people can buy whatever they want and they`re feeding a giant amount of employees. I make decisions for myself, not for other people. The Diesel scandal wasn`t a thing back then, so why screw their core business just for...

Nothing about that stems from logic. It's mostly arrogance and pretty stupid black and white thinking. You don't like xy and that must mean it, and everything affiliated with it, deserves to die, because your opinion is absolute and things can never change........ My condolences if you actually...

sarcasm is like clean water and food... Not everyone gets it. o_O Better never watch British comedy, someone of your surpreme ahem...intellect would probably feel offended... @ItsNotAboutTheMoney Apples and peaches. Choosing not to buy from person xy is different from wishing for the demise...

Right, screw the rest of the 650.000 employees worldwide for the crap that 50 or so guys in the management did.... I think there is no polite way for me to answer anything more to such a profoundly stupid post so I'll just refrain from doing so.

LPG taxes are way lower and will stay that low until at least 2022. I´ve actually been able to get lpg for <0,5€ until 2016, even. Normal gas ist at >1,5€/l and even Diesel is almost at 1,4€/l currently, completely crazy. I have to thank our german government's incompetence for that. We got the...

I said "fuel cost" not efficiency. :) The M3 would sit around ~23kwh per 100km for me, which is 6,21€ in power cost where I live. (0,27€ / kwh ) My current 350 E-Class consumes ~10l LPG per 100km which costs me 6,3€ (0,63€ / l) And the E-class actually performs better at 130+ km/h. In basically...

Well, you already made your choice, so It probably doesn`t matter anymore for you. But there`s still enough people contemplating the choice between ICE and EV in general. When the first reports about cold weather power consumption for the model 3 rolled in the "fuel" cost calculation for my...

If one of that car`s main salepoints is the "efficiency" of the tech you probably should though.

I think I´ve heard the very same phrase in relation to AP for 4 years straight now :rolleyes:

The relatively low depreciation on Tesla vehicles up to now wasn`t because of the brand-name but because of the production volume. With Tesla`s entry in mass manufacturing we`ll see similar market treatment to all other brands. Don`t expect Tesla to fare any better than a Merc/BMW/Audi in a...

if you are unable to comprehend more than one line of text at once and thus only post utter nonsense you should consider not posting at all:rolleyes: I don't know what you want to express here, but nice for you I guess?

It´s not general unavailability,, just that you can`t use AP above ~140km/h and on bidirectional roads. And that happens to be most of my driving :)

So, what does "soon" mean in Elon-time again? Little reminder: Last time he announced this was when we were still on AP1 If it goes on like this we`ll have the first people on Mars before we have lvl4+ automation in cars. :eek:

As if Tesla fans would all only care about the green factor. That must be why the AWD and P models are so popular and people opt to drive 2,5 ton cars with 4s 0-60 instead of smaller Evs from different brands. I´d dare to say the majority is into it for the performance and novelty factor. The...

Neither, recheck your own facts pls. 0,63€/l LPG => 10l/100km 6,3€ 1,30€/l Diesel => 7l/100km 9,1€ 0,27€/kwh => 25kwh/100km 6,75€ All my cars have been running on LPG since the 2000s and so do my company cars. I gave the 1€ saving only because of the LPG adaption costs. The only category where...

I already calculated it and with the current power prices (25-32ct) I´d barely save 1€ per 100km compared to a Diesel or LPG engine. Company car, doesn`t matter. And I can´t say I can share the experiences of many boardmembers concerning high maintenance costs on older german premium cars. Maybe...

at 58k€ LR starting price I´m definitely out. With our company rebates that translates to a ~75k BMW 5 or E-Class. The Model 3 can`t compete with that for me, personally. For non EV enthusiasts that`s just terrible value for the money. Enjoy your cars guys :)

58k STARTING price for the LR model. Ok, I´m out. For that price I´ll choose a nice 5 series or E-Class.... I guess folks here will undoubtedly start argumenting with list prices....No one pays list price for BMW/Merc & Co. The only car-company where the list price is actually the final price...

P probably. I`d expect them to put out the highest margin ones first.

this.

who wouldn`t agree with that notion.

I actually have the same issue with the Model S. I understand why the "classic" lines were kept here, but I expect things to change bit by bit. The M3`s "bubbly" proportions are already going in the right direction imho.