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I have been surprised that countries outside the US haven't disallowed the stalkless yoke by now. Perhaps they haven't had a chance to evaluate it.I felt like the model S with the yoke was seriously the most unsafe car I've ever driven. No balance points for your hands for long distances relying on autopilot nearly 100% of the time because manually steering it is so unrealistic. That's why I offloaded it as fast as I could I did not think that that was a safe car. I'll be shocked if safety statistics do not prove that the yoke is a much more dangerous operating system than a steering wheel
I think I've offered a whole lot of data in my initial post you might want to read itThat's great that you 'think' that-but drivers who have driven it on track, and benchmark engineers I've talked to mentioned a more variable steering ratio, not 'just' a quicker rack. Since you value scientific data, surely you are open to contrary information as you might just have a situational bias correct? Indeed, one of the worlds most conservative legacy OEMs, Toyota, have adapted such a system for its yoke a drive-by-wire system that enables it to adjust the steering for low-speed situations and sharp turns.
So beyond your 'thoughts' feel free to contribute your data to contradict Toyota engineers. I look forward to hearing about your data.
You forgot to mention: removes roughly 100° of operational points of contact for driver control and comfort. I'm sure this is going to be a lot better than a steering wheelYou've meshed two different economic operational requirements (flying a plane, driving a car) for your argument. Those two aren't directly comparable. So your 'findings' are flawed.
Please resubmit with just your findings re: round steering wheels vs other automotive applications. Thanks. Toyota however, was far less vague in a press release regarding its yoke some of which directly addressed the issues you listed:
The automaker listed all the advantages of its new steer-by-wire system:
The new system will launch in the bZ4X next year.View attachment 833130
- Lock-to-lock is set at around 150 degrees, eliminating the need to change grips when steering, greatly reducing the burden on the driver for U-turn, garage parking, and on winding roads.
- The steering feeling is improved through independently controlling the steering torque that the driver feels and the steering angle of the tires. Steering characteristics can be changed with drive mode select.
- Blocks unnecessary vibrations from tires and only transmits necessary vibrations such as road information. System controls tire movement to ensure vehicle stability when driving on uneven surfaces or when Lane Tracing Assist is activated.
- One-motion grip provides more legroom, improving driving position freedom and ease of entry and exit.
I disagree, I think it's an especially important conversation at the present momentThis thread really just needs to die. There's no point to it anymore. People who like the yoke like the yoke. People that don't, don't. Flawed arguments on both sides, but jeez, can it just die already?
I disagree, I think it's an especially important conversation at the present moment
You forgot to mention that Toyotas yoke handle placement position in particular has proven optimal for proper shoulder/elbow/neck alignment according to data generated by a Tier 1 automotive supplier across a large sample of human factor height/weight/reach profile. It’s fun to have access to automotive ergonomic studies at workYou forgot to mention: removes roughly 100° of operational points of contact for driver control and comfort. I'm sure this is going to be a lot better than a steering wheel
So you're espousing something that hasn't even hit the market yet as if it has some sort of huge proven track record. That's interestingYou forgot to mention that Toyotas yoke handle placement position in particular has proven optimal for proper shoulder/elbow/neck alignment according to data generated by a Tier 1 automotive supplier across a large sample of human factor height/weight/reach profile. It’s fun to have access to automotive ergonomic studies at work
"Clearly people aren't dying because they have a yoke"Is it so important that it requires yet another thread to beat a dead horse in, versus the myriad of others that already exist? The car has been around over a year. Clearly it's not that important anymore. Clearly people aren't dying because they have a yoke.
Again, per supplier data. Would it be more interesting if that supplier services 6x% of the entire industry?So you're espousing something that hasn't even hit the market yet as if it has some sort of huge proven track record. That's interesting
Sarcasm over science. You still haven’t addressed the variable ratio part of the equation. If you do not hold a steering wheel properly, then you might be uncomfortable.You forgot to mention: removes roughly 100° of operational points of contact for driver control and comfort. I'm sure this is going to be a lot better than a steering wheel
I don’t agree with some of your reasoning as it seems to fall in the “overthinking it” category. This isn’t brain surgery it’s just driving a car.
With any change to form factor there’s going to be some who do not want to change adapt. And that’s perfectly OK and common historically.From my "engineering" perspective, machines and devices should be made to work *for* me, to make my task less complicated, and be an improvement upon what I already do or use. From my experience with yokes outside of commuter vehicles, I can't imagine how the loss of part of the steering apparatus makes my task of driving a street car easier, better or more precise to clinical significance. There is nothing a yoke can do that a wheel cannot, either physically or via software. The converse is not true. I can't discern what is gained other than the similar self-satisfaction, if you can remember, of holding a white phone.
Should just bump all the yoke-hate threads so the mods feel compelled to close the newest ones, like... this one.And the counterpoint thread, for balance.
The Yoke Lover’s master thread! 😀😍🥰😘
Most everyone loves/likes the yoke, but there are a few who find it, “Not for them”. This thread is for yoke lovers alike, to share what they like most and what mods they may have done to improve their yoke loving experience! Me? I added one to my MYP - for consistency on driving format with...teslamotorsclub.com