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I think one you on here posted this, but can't remember where I got it from....sorry.... :) But I think every congress person should have to read this before deciding on what "technologies" are best for the future or before any one of them puts this idea down.

Projecting the Future Levelized Cost of Electricity Storage Technologies

. It follows that the development of alternative electricity storage technologies might become futile due to the challenge in matching the cost and performance advancement lithium ion has achieved to date and is expected to achieve in the future.

Lithium-ion batteries are most competitive in majority of applications from 2030
 
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More Republicans foaming at the mouth at the thought of a Green New Deal:

GOP senator mocked for claiming Green New Deal ‘ends with the Gestapo’

Some conservatives have gone bananas over everything connected with popular freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY).

The latest instance of this came on Friday — one day after Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) unveiled their resolution for a Green New Deal. Sen. Tom Cotton (R), the 41-year-old politician from Arkansas, took to twitter to voice his opinions on the ambitious climate plan.

He wrote: “The Democrats’ ‘Green New Deal’ brings to mind an insight from Churchill: Socialism may begin with the best of intensions, but it always ends with the Gestapo.”

But his tweet that her big push for clean energy and a decarbonized economy must end “with the Gestapo” was so absurd that it was quickly mocked by Twitter users, from CNN’s Bill Weir to tennis great Martina Navratilova.
 
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The Green New Deal Takes Its First Congressional Baby Step, as Pelosi Mocks “Green Dream or Whatever”

Though carefully worded, net-zero by 2030 is a hugely ambitious target — although still the only one remotely consistent with something known as equity pathways pursuant to the amount of carbon the world can continue to emit under a “carbon budget.” That is, the world only has so much carbon left to burn before we cross a certain threshold of warming.
The phrasing is also a recognition of the fact that certain “hard-to-abate” industries, including steel, transportation, and agriculture, are more difficult to decarbonize than others. Negative emissions are ubiquitous in pathways to capping warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius created by climate modelers and compiled in the IPCC’s report from last year on reaching that goal. While many negative emissions technologies remain unproven at scale, the resolution states that a Green New Deal will pursue negative emissions “through proven low-tech solutions that increase soil carbon storage, such as land preservation and afforestation.” The resolution further refers broadly to greenhouse gas emissions, not just carbon
 
If the Paris accord has taught us one thing is that everyone wants to make a change. But when the rubber hits the road, most all countries fail at it. Small countries are funded by large countries. Large countries like France try to make a change and it craps all over the blue collar workers (Yellow vests). India is a million years behind and only getting worse as they become the manufacturing capital of the world.

Obama pushed to get off coal, good thing. Coal workers and coal towns are ruined. Make cars super efficient, good thing. The average car is 28k and we are 1.6 trillion in auto loans debt. Trump got elected because of Obama's last run at going green.

The green deal has some good parts to it. But overall its a nose to spite face deal. The government is horrible at everything. People will be ejected from their jobs as we transition out of massive industries into newer high tech jobs those people can't work in. The end result of that will be an even more right wing government being put in place.

Being progressive and bold is not the answer. Thinking about the people first and then backing into what is possible in the answer.
 
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If the Paris accord has taught us one thing is that everyone wants to make a change. But when the rubber hits the road, most all countries fail at it. Small countries are funded by large countries. Large countries like France try to make a change and it craps all over the blue collar workers (Yellow vests). India is a million years behind and only getting worse as they become the manufacturing capital of the world.

Obama pushed to get off coal, good thing. Coal workers and coal towns are ruined. Make cars super efficient, good thing. The average car is 28k and we are 1.6 trillion in auto loans debt. Trump got elected because of Obama's last run at going green.

The green deal has some good parts to it. But overall its a nose to spite face deal. The government is horrible at everything. People will be ejected from their jobs as we transition out of massive industries into newer high tech jobs those people can't work in. The end result of that will be an even more right wing government being put in place.

Being progressive and bold is not the answer. Thinking about the people first and then backing into what is possible in the answer.
The Green New Deal creates jobs (for people), clean air and water (for people), education and health care (for people), low cost renewable energy (for people).
Ya got a problem with that? (We don't believe your "Government is horrible at everything" meme. We do believe that capitalists are destroying the environment.)
 
I don't know what will come of the Green New Deal, but there are major things the government can do to reduce carbon emissions. The DOD is a massive user of fossil fuels. Departments like the Navy have studied what AGW will do to their operations and want to do something about it. Branches of the military want to move to renewable power in operations but oil shills in congress are actively blocking funding to bring it into the mainstream operations of the DOD. Renewable and synthetic hydrocarbons are available as drop in fuels but don't have infrastructure built to scale. The DOD should be allowed to implement a renewable fuel standard to gradually increase the percentage of renewable fuel that they buy. I cannot imagine a better technology for the military than an on-board synthetic fuel production system on a nuclear aircraft carrier that can produce all the fuel needed for the aircraft operated. The operational flexibility afforded to the Navy would be incredible. From my understanding, movements of a carrier group are limited by the fuel tankers that are necessary to supply fossil powered ships and aircraft. Absent those tankers, the group could move 2 to 3 times faster.
 
I don't know what will come of the Green New Deal, but there are major things the government can do to reduce carbon emissions. The DOD is a massive user of fossil fuels. Departments like the Navy have studied what AGW will do to their operations and want to do something about it. Branches of the military want to move to renewable power in operations but oil shills in congress are actively blocking funding to bring it into the mainstream operations of the DOD. Renewable and synthetic hydrocarbons are available as drop in fuels but don't have infrastructure built to scale. The DOD should be allowed to implement a renewable fuel standard to gradually increase the percentage of renewable fuel that they buy. I cannot imagine a better technology for the military than an on-board synthetic fuel production system on a nuclear aircraft carrier that can produce all the fuel needed for the aircraft operated. The operational flexibility afforded to the Navy would be incredible. From my understanding, movements of a carrier group are limited by the fuel tankers that are necessary to supply fossil powered ships and aircraft. Absent those tankers, the group could move 2 to 3 times faster.
Here's a microgrid project at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) that demonstrates some innovative ideas.
Miramar Microgrid to Demonstrate Reliable Power from Landfill Gases
Resources within the Miramar microgrid
  • 1.3 MW solar photovoltaics
  • 3.2 MW landfill gas
  • 6.45 MW diesel and natural gas power plant
  • 1.6 MW HVAC demand response
  • 157 kW thermal energy storage
  • EV charging station control
  • 3 MW energy storage (microgrid system level)
  • 390 kW building level energy storage (Lithium Ion and zinc flow batteries and vehicle-to-grid bi-directional hybrid vans)
  • SCADA system upgrades
  • Advanced microgrid control system
  • Energy and Water Operations center (EWOC)
 
If the Paris accord has taught us one thing is that everyone wants to make a change. But when the rubber hits the road, most all countries fail at it. Small countries are funded by large countries. Large countries like France try to make a change and it craps all over the blue collar workers (Yellow vests). India is a million years behind and only getting worse as they become the manufacturing capital of the world.

Obama pushed to get off coal, good thing. Coal workers and coal towns are ruined. Make cars super efficient, good thing. The average car is 28k and we are 1.6 trillion in auto loans debt. Trump got elected because of Obama's last run at going green.

The green deal has some good parts to it. But overall its a nose to spite face deal. The government is horrible at everything. People will be ejected from their jobs as we transition out of massive industries into newer high tech jobs those people can't work in. The end result of that will be an even more right wing government being put in place.

Being progressive and bold is not the answer. Thinking about the people first and then backing into what is possible in the answer.
“We are talking about basically making it cost-effective to move into more modern forms of technology, more modern forms of production, which would then enable people actually cost-effectively to transition to that stuff,” Hockett added. “We are not talking about requiring anything or prohibiting anything. That’s sort of 1980s-style environmentalism.”
Fox News' Tucker Carlson Gets Fact-Checked On Own Show Over Green New Deal | HuffPost
 
I like community colleges as vocational tracks but oppose them as remedial high schools

At least for our nearest community college, a high proportion of students are non-trads, long out of high school, so those "remedial" courses are essential for them. Students coming straight of high school would be skipping. In Maine community college tuition is $94 per credit hour, compared to the University of Maine system where the cheapest tuition is $233 per credit hour. If students are in the area of a community college, they're way better off getting an associates and transferring after 2 years.
 
Sometimes I think AOC is Trumps operative.

<snip>Ocasio-Cortez is just doing what many Republicans in Congress have done for decades, but in mirror image: She's staking out positions that more moderate members of her party won't, something she can do because her voters are fine with it. When they were in office, Jesse Helms was to the right of his fellow Republicans on race, as was James Inhofe on climate. They were proudly contemptuous of both liberalism and moderation -- but Americans voted for Republican presidents, and for somewhat more reasonable Republican members of Congress in other states, because they were on the local ballots, not Helms or Inhofe. Ocasio-Cortez hopes to ultimately pull her party to the left the way Helms and Inhofe wanted to pull theirs further right. (Helms and Inhofe got their wish.)

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What Strassel and Shapiro can't imagine is that a lot of people likeOcasio-Cortez, and a lot of people are receptive to her ideas. I'm reminded of the standard critique of the mainstream press in the wake of the 2016 election: Coastal elitist reporters missed the Trump phenomenon because they know nothing about millions of their fellow citizens, for whom Trump was a welcome messenger. I think that may have been true before November 2016, but it's certainly not true now -- now we all know what every blue-collar retiree sitting in a Pennsylvania diner thinks. But people like Strassel and Shapiro don't know what non-conservatives think. They're oblivious to the existence of people who might respond to Ocasio-Cortez, or at least to Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren.

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Full article at:
Republicans Are Provincials Who Don't Understand Millions Of Their Fellow Citizens
 
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What is the Green New Deal and how would it benefit society?
What is the Green New Deal and how would it benefit society?

How would it fight climate change?
The goals of the document include a “10-year national mobilization” to:

  • build resiliency against climate change-related disasters

  • upgrade infrastructure

  • meet power demand with “clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources”

  • expand energy efficiency and access to power

  • work with farmers to cut emissions

  • overhaul the transportation sector with electric vehicles, public transportation and high-speed rail

  • remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere by bolstering forests
What would the Green New Deal do for people?
The proposal lays out numerous “crises”, including declining life expectancy for many Americans, as well as wage stagnation and income inequality.

The Green New Deal calls for:

  • a guaranteed job with fair pay, family and medical leave, paid vacations and retirement security

  • universal high-quality healthcare

  • free higher education

  • access to affordable, safe and adequate housing

  • stronger labor, workplace health and safety, anti-discrimination, and wage and hour standards

  • the clean-up of hazardous waste sites

  • access to clean water and air, health and affordable food, and nature
 
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