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Green New Deal

Discussion in 'Energy, Environment, and Policy' started by mspohr, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. Xenoilphobe

    Xenoilphobe Active Member

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    #1581 Xenoilphobe, Sep 5, 2019
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    Poria, also called Fu Ling, is a famous home-grown bulk Chinese herb, which has been used medicinally for about 2,000 years. Owing to its wide range of medical uses and neutral nature, it is honored as dampness-eliminating panacea (swamp draining) and one out of Eight Treasures. As a result, this herb is commonly used in not only many clinical formulas but also the production of numerous Chinese patent medicines. What’s more, thanks to its amazing health benefits, it was once used to make a variety of delicacies and snacks for the enjoyment of all members of the royal family.

    Source: Poria (Fu Ling) | Chinese Herbs Healing
     
  2. Merrill

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    Sorry, I was so upset I spelled it wrong. Pariah
     
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    A member of a low caste of Hindus in southern India, lower than the regular castes of the Brah-manical system, by whom they are shunned as unclean, yet superior to some other castes in the Tamil country, where they constitute a considerable part of the population. The Pariahs are commonly employed as laborers by the agricultural class, or as servants to Europeans.

    Wow.. that's an ugly word...

    Source:pariah - definition and meaning
     
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    That is why I used it in that context, it is ugly and fits our leader perfectly.
     
  5. mspohr

    mspohr Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Exxon is supporting moderate action on climate to avoid the Green New Deal

    Exxon Mobil Is Funding Centrist Democratic Think Tank, Disclosures Reveal

    THE PROGRESSIVE POLICY Institute, a centrist Democratic think tank that grew out of the party’s pro-business wing in the 1980s and ’90s, received $50,000 from Exxon Mobil in 2018 via its parent organization, the Third Way Foundation, according to the oil giant’s 2018 Worldwide Giving Report.

    This all dovetails well with a centrist approach to climate politics that’s long sought common ground with industry and harbors both temperamental and ideological opposition to big, confrontational proposals like the Green New Deal. The upshot is that they’ve started to sound a lot alike. Carbon capture, R&D, and carbon pricing — while not mutually exclusive with the Green New Deal framework that the Sunrise Movement, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and others have begun to flesh out — have reliably been wielded as a cudgel by establishment types against calls for more sweeping action.

    Throughout the 2020 campaign cycle, PPI strategic adviser and Clinton White House insider Paul Bledsoe has commented frequently about the dangers of candidates being too hard on fossil fuels. “[Joe] Biden and other moderate candidates must emphasize that the market is already phasing out coal over time, but that their climate policies still allow a role for natural gas as a low-carbon transition fuel for some time,” he told the Washington Examiner in August. “This distinction is crucial to success in swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan.”
     
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  6. mspohr

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    Andrew Yang falsely says Green New Deal would end air travel

    The only issue I have with the Green New Deal is the timing of the timeline," Yang said. "I mean, they are right that we need to take urgent action, but the timeline that they put out there would do away with commercial air travel and a lot of other things in a particular time frame, that, if we have a little bit more time, we can head in the same direction and achieve most of the same value."

    But Yang got his facts mixed up. The Green New Deal makes no mention of air travel, much less doing away with it.
     
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  7. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2020: Drain the Sewer

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    ^^
    Yang still does not get it. The Earth needs to set a carbon budget and then people can argue over how to spend the little bit left.
     
  8. mspohr

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    The problem is that we have already grossly overspent our carbon budget. We are suffering the effects of 420 ppm CO2 when we should be closer to 350 ppm. We have no carbon budget left.
     
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    What are these effects we are now suffering?
     
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    SageBrush 2020: Drain the Sewer

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    Do you think that human health declines as people get old ? If so, I wonder how you would prove it
     
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    Can we survive capitalism?

     
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  12. mspohr

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    "The only thing that has significantly reduced CO2 is reduction in GDP."

    "We have to stop pissing around the margins and go straight to the heart and kill capitalism."
     
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    Thomas Piketty's new War and Peace-sized book published on Thursday

    Thomas Piketty's new War and Peace-sized book published on Thursday

    Among the proposals in the book are that employees should have 50% of the seats on company boards; that the voting power of even the largest shareholders should be capped at 10%; much higher taxes on property, rising to 90% for the largest estates; a lump sum capital allocation of €120,000 (just over £107,000) to everyone when they reach 25; and an individualised carbon tax calculated by a personalised card that would track each person’s contribution to global heating.
     
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    NewSolar pioneer Pierre Verlinden: The big problem is apathy

    Well, if we grow at 10-20% then we reach 80 TW in 2055, for example. At that time, the production capacity is roughly 9-10 TW annually. But if we can reach that 25 years earlier, if we grow very fast and stabilize around 3 TW, we can stabilize 25 years before the market saturates and then the market stays at 3 TW. But we need to keep growing quickly, right now, for another 10 years. After that we are safe.

    You really need to tell people: ‘We have made it, it’s wonderful and the industry can survive and it’s a great industry.’ But we have a big problem and the world needs a “war cabinet” against climate change. This is a leadership and people to coordinate what needs to be done. That war cabinet needs to tell the PV industry that we need to grow at 25-30% annually. And other industries, like the car industry, need to rapidly invest in electric mobility
     
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    Boeing's travails show what's wrong with modern capitalism

    Boeing's travails show what's wrong with modern capitalism | Matt Stoller

    The plight of Boeing shows the perils of modern capitalism. The corporation is a wounded giant. Much of its productive capacity has been mothballed following two crashes in six months of the 737 Max, the firm’s flagship product: the result of safety problems Boeing hid from regulators.

    Something is wrong with today’s version of capitalism. It’s not just that it’s unfair. It’s that it’s no longer capable of delivering products that work. The root cause is the generation of high and persistent profits, to the exclusion of production. We have let financiers take over our corporations. They monopolize industries and then loot the corporations they run.

    The solution to this political crisis is fairly simple, and it involves two basic principles. One, policymakers have to increase competition for large powerful companies, to bring profits down. Executives should spend their time competing with each other to build quality products, not finding ways of attracting former generals, or administration officials to their board of directors. Two, policymakers should raise taxes on wealth and high incomes to radically reduce the concentration of wealth, which will make looting irrational.

    The ultimate result of concentrating wealth and corrupting government is to concentrate power in the hands of a few. We’ve been here before. In the 1930s, fascists in Italy and Germany were gaining strength, as were communists in the Russia. Meanwhile, leaders in liberal democracies were confronted by a frightened populace losing faith in democracy. American political leaders were able to take on domestic money lords with a radical antitrust campaign to break the power of the plutocrats. Today we are in a similar situation, with autocrats making an increasingly persuasive case that liberal democracy is weak.
     
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  16. d21mike

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    After reading above it is more and more clear that the Green New Deal is all about redistribution of wealth and nothing to do with Climate Change. And after watching a bit of the CNN Debate on Climate it is hard to see anything progressive about solving Climate Change. Even the CNN staff have no clue about Electric Cars which is so strange to me if they actually believed we have a Climate Change problem and we need to transition to Electric Cars yesterday.

    If they truly believed we had a problem with Climate Change the focus would be to get off of OIL as quickly as possible and not dilute the conversation with the Green New Deal of redistribution of wealth as the only way to get there. I personally would MAX OUT Solar on every home possible and force the Electric Companies to buy energy from the home owners. Now we are ask to not produce any more energy than we can use. This is crazy unless it is all a Climate Change Hoax which more and more it seems to be.
     
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  17. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

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    The end result of capitalism is always a monopoly game with one player having everything and everyone else with nothing. To counter this strong government controls are required. The current Administration is finishing the job of tearing down government, that was started by Johnson, continued by Regan and every President thereafter (exception: Carter) so that it will seem ineffective to the uneducated majority. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
     
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  18. mspohr

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    Climate disaster and poverty exist not because we do not have the resources to solve them but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
    It's the same problem.
     
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    I am 70 years old. For my entire adult life the Democrats have played this Class Warfare Card. Attack the rich. The rich need to pay their fair share. It has not worked during the last 50 years and it will not work over the next 50 years. Let's give it a rest and try to solve the problem where we all work together for a solution. But go ahead and continue, that is easier than working on a real solution.
     
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    The French tried that... it didn't go well... lets try to learn from their mistake. The most common push back against solar is also that it shifts fixed costs on to people that cannot afford to pay more for their electric bill and cannot afford solar. The only way to solve our addiction to fools fuel is for those that have the resources to break us of this pathetic addiction to use those resources to break us of this pathetic addiction.
     

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