AlanSubie4Life
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Used to be, but is not anymore, as the rear drive unit is different. The Performance/P3D/3P (all variants) have 980, the AWD has 990.
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Help me decide Stealth vs P3D+
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Used to be, but is not anymore, as the rear drive unit is different. The Performance/P3D/3P (all variants) have 980, the AWD has 990.
manddarran
Member
So I am going to chime in here. 2020 P3D- or a 2019 P3D+ that is discount but more $? Really concerned about the wind noise. The 2019 I drove was a lot noisier than my 2018 Volt. I have read that supposedly the 2020s are quieter but alas no white interiors to be found.
Glamisduner
Active Member
After my windshield was replaced my 2018 is pretty quiet. Shop said they think it is the glue they use. Not sure what all tesla has changed, but quieter should be better.
Also event though tesla is doing "model years" thing now I think they still continuously improve, so a late 19 is likely the same thing as a 2020 other than the 2019 is going to devalue faster due to it having an older time stamp.
Glamisduner
Active Member
so mine is just an AWD with an unlock? I still felt a huge performance boost with the latest update.Damn just over a year old and my car is like it's 2 years old now and ancient already.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yours is. Keep in mind that there is reason to believe that the 980 is a "better" drive unit than the 990 (since the 980 is still in all Performance vehicles, as it was in all AWD vehicles in 2018). But we don't really know what the difference is.
Knightshade
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What, specifically, is the VIN difference?
I ask, because such a difference didn't exist last year when this was a topic.
I have a stealth. The insurance agent just asked for my VIN and the insurance specs populated as performance. I don't think the VIN has specific letters/numbers indicate performance or not. I think each VIN is corresponding to car spec which indicates if it's performance.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
there's a letter in the VIN that indicates 1 motor or 2.
AWD, P3D-, and P3D+ all had the same letter.
And there's no other letters differentiating any version of P from any other or a non-P DM car.
(at least last I knew)
More details on the VIN numbers (and the fact there's only a single/dual motor designation on the 3 specifically) here-
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/9d71d5c8-a6ff-45de-88ae-8ea1da8dd324
If your insurance company has access to more detailed vehicle info than just what the VIN codes tell them that's another story.
My SA just emailed me after I confirmed I would take the Stealth. He answered a couple questions that I had asked as well.
It will have the 18” wheels
It will have the same 0-60 as P3D+
But it does NOT come with track mode
(this seems different than the reports I have heard.)
It will have the 18” wheels
It will have the same 0-60 as P3D+
But it does NOT come with track mode
(this seems different than the reports I have heard.)
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
This is part of Tesla employees' standard misinformation campaign. Must be the the influence of the shorts.
It has Track Mode. Don't worry about it. This topic comes up every few months, insisted on by Tesla employees. They're always wrong.
It's possibly true that the top speed is lower (the claim is due to lack of a spoiler)...very hard to get any solid verification of that for obvious reasons. But it really doesn't matter, as presumably you don't plan to go 140mph.
8th VIN digit is "C" for Model 3 Performance cars. I'm not sure when this started, but the 2020 P- cars that are currently out also have the "C" 8th digit.
I don't believe AWD is different from Stealth Performance in any way but software. Now or in the past.
What Catalogs say and what a one off might have in it is no proof that Tesla doesn't arbitrarily take an AWD and enable Stealth Performance on it, which is why it's never orderable these days. They use it to clear AWD inventory.
I bet you if you decode the VIN on most Stealth and AWD they will come up the same.
I can certainly believe a Plus has a different motor part number than Stealth/AWD.
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It's possibly true that the top speed is lower (the claim is due to lack of a spoiler)...very hard to get any solid verification of that for obvious reasons. But it really doesn't matter, as presumably you don't plan to go 140mph.[/QUOTE]
130mph should be fine
It's possibly true that the top speed is lower (the claim is due to lack of a spoiler)...very hard to get any solid verification of that for obvious reasons. But it really doesn't matter, as presumably you don't plan to go 140mph.[/QUOTE]
130mph should be fine
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I mean, you are free to believe what you want of course - but we do not currently have a single example of a recent (since early 2019) AWD with a 980 motor in it. And we have many examples of recent AWDs with 990 motors. And we have never seen a Performance with a 990 motor. Including all recent Stealths that have been checked... That is all I am saying.
Stealth:
Recent Example
Another Example
AWD:
A recent example
Latest 980 I have seen
Another key piece of evidence: For 2020 models, the EPA results for the Stealth (18" Performance) and the AWD are not the same. The 18" Performance is more efficient. They are very, very likely to be different vehicles. Unlike in 2018.
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I'll be sure to take a pic of my motor after delivery so we have more data. First thing I'll do is check that 0-60 time and check to see if track mode is selectable.
astrowunder
Member
I have a stealth. I didn't see anyone mention this, but the low profile tires and potholes don't mix. I nailed a pothole with my stealth so hard the aero flew off, but the wheel was (nearly) undamaged. There was a very slight dent, but the tire maintains pressure and no vibration or any other side effects. Low profile tire would have almost certainly been destroyed.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Pre-emptive info: Make sure you are in park, and your foot is on the brake. Then it will be selectable.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
"recently" would have to be the answer- they were all B (as was AWD) in 2018 as evidenced in the NHTSA doc
Ah ha! recent indeed. Did more digging. The 2019 MY decoder also is A/B only.
But for 2020 it's interesting.
Here's the 2020 decoder Tesla submitted to NHTSA July 15, 2019
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/c90f14e1-9234-49c6-a845-26f61bdb04e0
A for single motor. B for dual. Performance is the same as AWD. No C.
Now here's the one they submitted August 29, 2019.
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/mid/home/displayfile/c646fbf1-8ba5-4575-af1e-f415a1131337
The new "C" for performance is there now.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Interesting but I guess not too surprising.
Presumably required because they (Stealth/Performance vs. AWD) are no longer the same car and they have different efficiencies.
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