Its much closer in size and handling than a model S is. yes.
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Its much closer in size and handling than a model S is. yes.
HankLloydRight
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Yeah, I don't buy that. Not for a second. And it's also extremely subjective. The OP was confused about the MS trim levels, so I was clearing that up for him. I suggested he find a P85D to test drive and make his own determination. He said himself that 0-60 was the primary criteria, not "handling like my vette".
He can get a 2.8s or 3.2s 0-60 for less than $50k. Why not at least entertain that possibility instead of discounting it out of hand? What's wrong with just giving more options for him to consider?
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You are going on a rant because I have the opinion that happens to be different than yours regarding how model S drives? No one said your opinion was invalid, I just said that I didnt think he would be happy with a model S as a daily coming from a vette. Im not allowed to have an opinion? You have a different one, thats fine, but that doesnt discount either one of our opinions.
Neither one of us is buying it as you correctly point out, and it would seem to me that its fine for both of us to have different opinions on this. I agree its subjective, but I should be allowed to have an opinion just like anyone else.
Neither one of us is buying it as you correctly point out, and it would seem to me that its fine for both of us to have different opinions on this. I agree its subjective, but I should be allowed to have an opinion just like anyone else.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
I wasn't "going on a rant."
I was just baffled by your pushback at giving the OP more options to consider and clearing up his confusion.
I was just baffled by your pushback at giving the OP more options to consider and clearing up his confusion.
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Vegas. Used. 10K miles. 2020 with Acceleration Boost for $47,000. Or buy new for basically same price and more range and heat pump and few other improvements. Or one will pop up for less in the next few months
LOL! Porsches aren't hard to configure as long as you bring a boatload of cash!If having a hard time with options/trims with Tesla then you will NEVER stand a chance to configure a Porsche.
If having a hard time with options/trims with Tesla then you will NEVER stand a chance to configure a Porsche.
I've been in the 911 configurator, it's a headache, I've never been able to finish my build
I am not aware of the stealth version, very interesting, I'll see the inventory, I am sure It would be very hard to find, where are you located, how much asking for yours? probably little below the performance lol.
That's a good deal, save the $5k and get something very fast.
My Corvette is Red, so it's an everything magnet, Police, Chicks, Haters =)), not really interested in the track mode, it's just that life is too short to drive slow cars, $6k difference between performance and LR AWD with $2k option.
That's a great saving! I'll take it at that price! what's the 0-60 on yours? and range? $14k discount is a great deal for me, just for my info, what was the mileage on yours?
Thank you for your great help over PM, your website was very handy, I excluded Model S because of the price is out of my budget, I personally prefer Model S over Model 3 but again I am not buying any car with 5 seconds 0-60, I appreciate the one you sent me, I'll see what I find on the P85Ds.
wouldn't mind a Model S, I prefer it over Model 3, my restriction is the price but Hank mentioned the P85D which is a car I added to my list, I don't track my Corvette even though it's track ready from the factory but it's nice to do those 30 mph exists at 75 mph without worrying about anything.
This is one is expensive,buying new is better, if you consider CA $1500 clean car incentive on the Model 3, the difference is only $2500.
Thank you guys for all your help, I have an appointment tomorrow to drive Model S and S performance at the local Tesla store, they didn't have M3 Performance or the boosted edition, I wanna get a feeling of the S as I've never driven it before.
Things are certainly clearer now for me, the P85D Model S is appealing, If I buy used it has to be good savings over new which seems like a unicorn on M3.
Another question I have, do all Teslas get the latest software updates or support stops at some point for example? does 2015 Model S get the same software updates like the newer model?
I'll keep you updated.
Things are certainly clearer now for me, the P85D Model S is appealing, If I buy used it has to be good savings over new which seems like a unicorn on M3.
Another question I have, do all Teslas get the latest software updates or support stops at some point for example? does 2015 Model S get the same software updates like the newer model?
I'll keep you updated.
Some features require the car have certain hardware. A 2015 model s will usually not have the most up to date MCU or autopilot computer unless someone paid to update it (which they would almost assuredly say, if they did so). The short answer is, unless the car has been updated by tesla to the latest autopilot computer, and MCU, it wont have all the same features.
What would be missing is mostly autopilot stuff, enhanced display, and software features you may or may not care about.
HankLloydRight
No Roads
All Teslas do get the latest firmware updates for their model/trim (some updates are for specific options, so older cars might not get those specific releases, but they are kept up to date with all the other fleet-wide enhancements, like 'fart mode'
)But buying an older car would have one significant difference in the Autopilot software. The hardware for AP1 was installed in the Model S and X vehicles from October 2014 to October 2016. Anything after that is Tesla developed AP2.x.
AP1 (Mobile-eye based and no longer updated) gives you auto-lane-keeping and auto-lane-changing (driver triggered), traffic aware cruise control, parking assist, and "garage" summon (basically a parlor trick more than anything else).
AP2+ (depending on software) is capable of much more -- navigate on autopilot, auto-lane changing, stop light stop/start, and eventually "Full Self Driving". So if full autopilot capability and future AP development is important, then just keep this in mind.
You can buy that red line for around $10, so no.
The best is to look at the car's center screen to see what it has.
@MoparGuy To expand a bit on the quoted post...
If you look at the car's information screen, and there is a red underline, you are guaranteed to be looking at a Performance Model 3.
IMO, you'd be better off taking the small acceleration performance hit by purchasing a newer Performance Model 3 over the 5 year old Model S P85D. I'm feeling lazy and don't feel like listing out all the reasons right now, but if you think about it a bit, I'm sure you'll figure them out for yourself.
Best of luck to you, and we would appreciate you letting us know what you decide!
Edit: forgot to add... when you're on the forums, you'll often see the "Stealth" Model 3 Performance referred to as "P3D-" (like in my signature).
I'm 135 miles north east of Las Vegas off of Interstate 15 in the little town of St. George, Utah. Not really all that far from San Diego, really... about 500 miles.
If you happen to find yourself in my area, let me know, and I'll take you for a ride... although as of right now, The Wife says I can't sell her baby.
Probably for the best, as I have 8 levels of my spine fused, and I'm not sure I could handle the Performance Model 3's suspension; the standard suspension is about as firm as I can take!
BetterSlowDown
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As a couple others of stated, I'd hunt relentlessly for the only model that has actually had an *increase* in MSRP the last year or two and is the most rare model as well.... and the model that offers zero compromises (best performance, best range, best practicality). Patience will pay off, find yourself a stealth performance.
@MoparGuy An attempt to make this a bit easier....
You can think of a "Stealth" Performance Model 3 as being a LR AWD Model 3 with track mode and the acceleration of the Performance Model 3. Other than that, there aren't really any differences between the LR AWD Model 3 and the Stealth Performance.
Moving up to the full on Performance Model 3 gets you better brakes, a tighter suspension, a spoiler, metal brake and accelerator pedals. There are probably a few other minor differences that I can't think of right now, but that's the majority of them.
You can think of a "Stealth" Performance Model 3 as being a LR AWD Model 3 with track mode and the acceleration of the Performance Model 3. Other than that, there aren't really any differences between the LR AWD Model 3 and the Stealth Performance.
Moving up to the full on Performance Model 3 gets you better brakes, a tighter suspension, a spoiler, metal brake and accelerator pedals. There are probably a few other minor differences that I can't think of right now, but that's the majority of them.
Thanks for the advice, I am looking, I am finding 2018 Model 3 performance for $46K with about 15K miles, it's not bad considering the savings, I'd get that over a stealth, those are going for more than that.
Got it, thinks are clearer now, but stealth cars are expensive, on the used market they are about the same price as the Performance, I'd get a Performance for $1k more.
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