Here's hoping that the July 28 event will be a complete reveal

[internalaudit]

I wonder if there will be a test drive / review embargo for a few more weeks.

 

[gregincal]

I wonder if there will be a test drive / review embargo for a few more weeks.

Why do you think there would be? Howver, making cars available for reviews is another matter. I remember with the Model S reviewers drove Elon's personal car.

Edit: Well, here's the answer, except it was Hotzhausen's car.

Exclusive: Tesla Model 3 First Drive Review - Motor Trend

 

[dhanson865]

I don't know for sure if that is true or not. I would say even if they do now the fact that they have traditionally done so little testing on ICE cars will mean that as EVs become more common that percentage will drop in line with ICE testing.

From prior reading I get the impression that they get signatory approval before you can slap the "EPA MPG" or "EPA Range" on the sticker but it's up to them if they test your vehicle or not.

And 100% of what. There are dozens of configs of Tesla Model S and in reality they should have dozens of EPA ranges but if you go look less than half the Tesla configs have the unique EPA range they should. In some cases Tesla has had a modification out and in production with a provisional Monroney sticker and an asterisks on the web site with that number provided from the prior version and updated later. Literally customers get sent a revised Monroney sticker.

I think under the strictest math you would say they approved ratings for half the Model S configs between 2012 and now. I'd expect similar grouping to apply to Model 3. They'll get one or two configs tested and everything that goes out for a year or two will share the same "epa ranges" but in reality there will be various ranges depending on your actual config.

No matter what the websites say I wouldn't bet my life on it that a physical car made it for testing before the first delivery with no significant differences vs the cars delivered. The phrase "its close enough for government work" applies.

@ikjadoon Check out Press Kit | Tesla Canada

Standard Battery

• Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)

Notice they are already delivering cars in California and don't have EPA final numbers yet.

 

[FlatSix911]

@ikjadoon Check out Press Kit | Tesla Canada

Standard Battery

• Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)

Notice they are already delivering cars in California and don't have EPA final numbers yet.

Great information ... Thanks for the link

 

[dgpcolorado]

I'm wondering if the base model has cruise control. Sure hope that one doesn't have to get AP to have any sort of cruise control.

 

[ikjadoon]

@ikjadoon Check out Press Kit | Tesla Canada

Standard Battery

• Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)

Notice they are already delivering cars in California and don't have EPA final numbers yet.

Er, true. Good point. Maybe they don't test them any more?

Or I wonder if these cars are actually "true" deliveries as they also had 20 "engineering/validation". I mean, the employees had to sign special agreements to get these cars.

 

[ikjadoon]

I'm wondering if the base model has cruise control. Sure hope that one doesn't have to get AP to have any sort of cruise control.

This is probably the wrong thread to discuss this (as this is all old info besides that image), but I believe you get "dumb" cruise control standard and "adaptive" is part of EAP, the $5k package.

 

[dhanson865]

Er, true. Good point. Maybe they don't test them any more?

Or I wonder if these cars are actually "true" deliveries as they also had 20 "engineering/validation". I mean, the employees had to sign special agreements to get these cars.

I think it's more like, the manufacturer has to offer to let the EPA test, the EPA can then either say:

* send us a car to this testing center ... , go ahead and use your self reported numbers until we give you our results
* we reserve the right to test later, go ahead and use your self reported numbers until further notice

either way Tesla offered and is allowed to start selling the cars.

 

[Yggdrasill]

@ikjadoon Check out Press Kit | Tesla Canada

Standard Battery

• Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)

Notice they are already delivering cars in California and don't have EPA final numbers yet.

They're only delivering the 310 mile version, which doesn't have an "(EPA estimated)" behind it.