How many of you will/may transition to CyberTruck?

[MountainRatMat]

Farzad

Felt it was very good analysis

Appreciate you providing your source. That is helpful.

That being said, I don't agree with Farzad at all for 2 reasons:

1) He is comparing it to the Silverado and F150, we all know Tesla is the leader and not the follower when it comes to EV's so they don't care what other vehicles are priced at or what their range is.

2) As mentioned above, he is calling it a Tri-motor when Elon said it was a Quad-motor so the attention to detail is missing

In my opinion Farzad is just making a WAG.

Only time will tell, will be interesting to revisit this when we get the true numbers in a few months.

 

[ThomasD]

The XLT is not a luxurious Truck .

 

[JoRoMo]

Probably a mockup picture in the patent but still rumour-worthy…?

 

[kpanda17]

That would spark interest by the towing truck buyers to the highest level

14k pull range at 300 mile

 

[ThomasD]

How large of a pack would you need for 600 miles of range and how heavy would it be?

 

[MountainRatMat]

How large of a pack would you need for 600 miles of range and how heavy would it be?

200kwh and probably 1.75 times the weight of the Model S/X pack. Totally doable, not sure if they have the 4680 capacity to fulfill many orders at that size though.

 

[voxel]

200kwh and probably 1.75 times the weight of the Model S/X pack. Totally doable, not sure if they have the 4680 capacity to fulfill many orders at that size though.

This or probably more.

I am surprised on how inefficient my Rivian R1S is. Sub 2.0 mi/kWh with 22" wheels in All-Purpose mode where I drive 80% of the time at 65-70mph. The 135 kWh pack is too small.

If a Cybertruck ships with the a 200 kWh pack, it would cost $130K at least. 150 kWh pack would be $100K range.

 

[uscbucsfan]

This or probably more.

I am surprised on how inefficient my Rivian R1S is. Sub 2.0 mi/kWh with 22" wheels in All-Purpose mode where I drive 80% of the time at 65-70mph. The 135 kWh pack is too small.

If a Cybertruck ships with the a 200 kWh pack, it would cost $130K at least. 150 kWh pack would be $100K range.

The R1S likely has a better drag coefficient than the CT. The efficiency on the highway is mostly aero. That's why the X/Y is so bad at higher speeds.

 

[kpanda17]

This or probably more.

I am surprised on how inefficient my Rivian R1S is. Sub 2.0 mi/kWh with 22" wheels in All-Purpose mode where I drive 80% of the time at 65-70mph. The 135 kWh pack is too small.

If a Cybertruck ships with the a 200 kWh pack, it would cost $130K at least. 150 kWh pack would be $100K range.

Not necessarily $130k for these will be 4680s which they source from themselves

 

[NeuroRad]

Give me my plaids drivetrain and interior, a volume knob, 360 camera and an f150 chassis/body. I’m a city slicker and range is not a concern of mine.

 

[TessP100D]

This or probably more.

I am surprised on how inefficient my Rivian R1S is. Sub 2.0 mi/kWh with 22" wheels in All-Purpose mode where I drive 80% of the time at 65-70mph. The 135 kWh pack is too small.

If a Cybertruck ships with the a 200 kWh pack, it would cost $130K at least. 150 kWh pack would be $100K range.

How are your front tires holding up if you drive in conserve mode that much? Time for new ones already?

 

[TessP100D]

Not necessarily $130k for these will be 4680s which they source from themselves

But are those beer cans really any better?

 

[uscbucsfan]

But are those beer cans really any better?

Not currently, but they hope the Gen 3 will be when released.

 

[kpanda17]

Gen 2 4680s are energy density equal to the better 2170s for the CY 350/500 mile range
2023/2024

Gen 3 projection for the CT 600 mile range
Mid 2024

Quoting Cleanerwatt

 

[uscbucsfan]

Gen 2 4680s are energy density equal to the better 2170s for the CY 350/500 mile range
2023/2024
View attachment 963230
Gen 3 projection for the CT 600 mile range
Mid 2024
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Quoting Cleanerwatt

Per Panasonic (who makes them) 2170 is 271 WH/kg and a much smaller form factor. 4680 Gen 2/ Cyber Cell is still not as good as 2170.

 

[texas_star_TM3]

Per Panasonic (who makes them) 2170 is 271 WH/kg and a much smaller form factor. 4680 Gen 2/ Cyber Cell is still not as good as 2170.

this is mostly about cost savings and *not* getting some crazy high wh/kg to build a 600 miles EPA rated vehicle imho....

the panasonic cells are still untouched in terms of wh/kg and have been for a while...

 

[henderrj]

Per Panasonic (who makes them) 2170 is 271 WH/kg and a much smaller form factor. 4680 Gen 2/ Cyber Cell is still not as good as 2170.

I thought the primary advantage of the 4680 was reduction of manufacturing cost. Do they have to be as as efficient to be worth using in the cyber truck?

 

[uscbucsfan]

I thought the primary advantage of the 4680 was reduction of manufacturing cost. Do they have to be as as efficient to be worth using in the cyber truck?

That was the planned advantage, but they aren't there, yet. It's a much larger battery than the 2170 that has less energy. Pretty obvious why Tesla is trying so hard to fix that. Elon said in the shareholders meeting that making batteries is extremely difficult, but they are getting there.

 

[kpanda17]

Evolving and putting your own batteries into your vehicles has huge cost and competitive advantages
YouTuber CleanerWatt is very good
also Limiting Factor

 

[kpanda17]

Good geek out info