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How Secure Are Teslas/Tesla Thefts
- Thread starter Maka344
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Yeah, sure. Wrap mirror with foil (that's where antenna is located) or remove SIM card. Suddenly it is a bit newer ford escort does the hardware manipulation suddenly makes it cyber?Given a Tesla is supposedly an internet connected smart device, it can stream cameras over the internet, stream music or accept voice commands even in a very basic argument of such. I guess it might fall under cyber security laws and Tesla have a responsibility to fix such vulnerabilities.
New cyber security laws to protect smart devices amid pandemic sales surge
Groundbreaking plans to protect people from cyber attackswww.gov.uk
When someone robs cash machine with a digger and steals cash from cash machine. It it cyber crime (cash machine is a computer, connected to internet) or just simple robbery?
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I don't write the law. But the wording is clear that cyber also means physical attacks, i.e. any vulnerability, on internet connected devices.
You're entitled to argue it's wrong, but Tesla can't say they don't have responsibility just because some people disagree with it.
An old Ford escort wasn't internet connected, that's the difference.
Not cyber because it's not a smart device, nor internet connected.
If you want to, the act is online for you to read and plenty of definitions available.
A Tesla qualifies as an internet connected device, not qualifies just because it's a car.
IoT (internet connected) devices needed to be hardened from all attacks (physical or otherwise) because they represent a cyber threat. For example if a physical attack of a Tesla car gained new access to the mother ship, or became part of an online denial of service attack, e.g. bot net.
Its vital all internet connected devices are protected and that was the point of the new act.
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Sorry, do you know how an ATM works?
You believe it’s not connected to the internet?
Exactly right and hence they need to be protected too. The other post was seemingly comparing diggers and old cars with Tesla, using the ATM just to create the internet association.
It's a constant battle. Banks don't just give up, they also keep improving their ATM's. Just as Tesla need to keep improving.
The law requires them all to keep improving and updating in that battle. Not everyone did and hence why the act came about.
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ATMs aren’t connected to the Internet, they have private circuits providing connectivity to banking infrastructure with firewalls controlling traffic. That is vastly different to a consumer IOT device.Sorry, do you know how an ATM works?
You believe it’s not connected to the internet?
I guess
Internet or private circuit, I think we can all agree that attempting to hack an ATM is computer misuse.
Cardo
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Cardo
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In the eyes of the law, it’s very simple.but cash machine is connected to the internet and essentially is a computer
you see, simple lines of cyber/non cyber does not apply so traightforward
As for whether something is considered a “cyber” attack, it comes down to the method of attack, generally being an attack carried out remotely via the internet or other communications network. Simply stealing something that is connected to the internet does not make it cyber crime.
The whole concept of 'cyber crime' just seems to me to be a throwback to a few years back when companies were popping up getting patents granted for really obvious everyday stuff by tacking 'with a computer' on the end.
We don't need laws to stop from stealing money from banks with a computer. The existing laws stopping them from stealing money from banks were perfectly adequate.
Stealing a car with a computer is stealing a car. There are laws against it already. Why overcomplicate it?
We don't need laws to stop from stealing money from banks with a computer. The existing laws stopping them from stealing money from banks were perfectly adequate.
Stealing a car with a computer is stealing a car. There are laws against it already. Why overcomplicate it?
Wattsisname
MY Red/White/Gems
@Roy B Dis you get any answer?They may currently be targeting MS (and one might imagine MX) but we know M3/MY attacks are coming down the line. Security researchers have demonstrated relay attacks against the M3 using phone key; assumed to be applicable to MY and to M3/MY fobs, too. Only a matter of time before the criminals get these tools.
Technical Advisory – Tesla BLE Phone-as-a-Key Passive Entry Vulnerable to Relay Attacks
Vendor: Tesla, Inc. Vendor URL: Versions affected: Attack tested with vehicle software v11.0 (2022.8.2 383989fadeea) and iOS app 4.6.1-891 (3784ebe63). Systems Affected: Attack tested on Model 3. M…research.nccgroup.com
I'm thinking a Disklok might be in order... Anyone know if the small size fits the M3 OK?
I am currently researching the Disklok for my Y. Their ads and even their vehicle list do not mention Tesla. Has anyone had better luck with Disklock or similar?
I find all these wheel locks useless these days.
All cars have immobilizers and it by default will stops any kids to take your car for a ride. And it is unlocked by professionals within seconds, so it adds more hassle for you than anyone who is trying to steal it.
All cars have immobilizers and it by default will stops any kids to take your car for a ride. And it is unlocked by professionals within seconds, so it adds more hassle for you than anyone who is trying to steal it.
Wattsisname
MY Red/White/Gems
....committed by rats. Although to say that is to do a disservice to rodents.
Wattsisname
MY Red/White/Gems
I believe he reffered to the digger as not internet connected...... even so the JCB is calling home unless the owner is also the perp'.Sorry, do you know how an ATM works?
You believe it’s not connected to the internet?
