JRP3
Hyperactive Member
The sad part is that a small island nation like Japan was always more suited to EVs so Toyotas efforts were a waste from the beginning.
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How was your model 3 quality when you took delivery?
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voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
The entire hard-on around fuel cells is tied to the idea of repurposing existing fueling infrastructure and converting it from gasoline to hydrogen.
That seemed like a great idea 10 years ago when the idea of a car getting nearly 300 real world miles out of a charge and charging back up in 45-60 minutes seemed like a fairy tale.
If someone is absolutely convinced that people will only buy an electric car if it has directly comparable range and refuel times to ICE cars then they are still betting on fuel cells but those people seem to be few and far between outside of Toyota these days.
I have found that many of the Model 3 drivers I've met drove BMW previously, myself included.
I think a Toyota hybrid with 100 miles of battery range(with Toyota's solid state battery), and 500+ miles of hydrogen range, can be a viable combo.
SammichLover
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Bill Foster
I'm going home!
Missing clips in wheel wells. One chrome door trim isn’t centered. Missing paint in the door jams
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Since the hydrogen talk is off topic and has been discussed extensively any further comments should go here
Hydrogen vs. Battery
Over 10 years ago I came to the same conclusion as Elon regarding HFCV's
Hydrogen vs. Battery
Over 10 years ago I came to the same conclusion as Elon regarding HFCV's
Shouldn't be a secret as to why they lost $700M in Q1 and TSLA stock is at a 52 week low. The "we will build it and they will come" attitude needs to change, starting from the top.
Musk did say new orders for Q2 have been robust enough, with 50k+ so far with one month to go. So may be new customers are mainly from non-premium brands, and are not deterred by non-premium quality.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Building fewer cars and concentrating more on QC would have made the loss even larger.
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
Probably true but this is not how you build brand loyalty. Tesla should be bending over backwards to make those impacted by poor QC whole but instead you get marginal service and whining about how warranty repairs for things like sloppy construction hurt Tesla’s bottom line.
One thing I know for sure is that when I shop for a new car in 3-5 years time Tesla won’t be the only game in town.
I’m interested in a model Y but only if I drive before I buy.
Sounds a bit shortsighted. If Tesla gets tarnished by a strong reputation of poor build quality, a la Ford Pintos in the 70s (and more recently the Mazda rust scandals), those losses will become stickier and stickier as time goes on...
Unhappy customers are far louder than happy customers. It doesn't take very many to start tipping the scales of public perception.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Tesla is still running on the edge, they need to stay in hyper growth mode till they can keep their head above water. I don't like it but that seems to be where they're at. To your point Ford and Mazda survived those incidents, along with a number of other companies with terrible reliability ratings.
When I compare $30k leaf vs $35k SR(SR+), that extra $5k is a bargain despite all the misaligned panels and paint flaws one has to deal with. It seems most of the flaws get sorted out eventually. I didn't have any defects on mine, btw.
This point is based solely on what owners have posted on this forum:
We are all delighted that some/many/most writers (not sure which) are satisfied with their M3's. That is encouraging.
But too many owners still write about poor QC from the factory.
The inconsistency is troubling and exactly why I downgraded from "WANT" to NEED." And I do not "need" a new car right now.
Some seems to get vehicles with few issues .... and other reject the vehicle before taking delivery because of so many blemishes.
Is that inconsistent QC? .. or, are some owners just not as critical of blemishes as others? Not sure.
Based on a number of postings, it seem that QC has improved somewhat.
When the first big production push came (8-10 months ago), improvements in QC seems to have been put on hold ..... production trumped QC. Many wrote about corporates decision to let the SC's correct the QC defects.
Prior to that, the SC's were receiving rave reviews .... writers could not say enough good things about the SC's.
But the SC's soon became overwhelmed, and there are not as many praiseworthy reports as there once were.
We all want Tesla not only to survive .... but to become a corporate success; a manufacturer of quality automobiles; and whose investors are rewarded with financial gain.
We are all delighted that some/many/most writers (not sure which) are satisfied with their M3's. That is encouraging.
But too many owners still write about poor QC from the factory.
The inconsistency is troubling and exactly why I downgraded from "WANT" to NEED." And I do not "need" a new car right now.
Some seems to get vehicles with few issues .... and other reject the vehicle before taking delivery because of so many blemishes.
Is that inconsistent QC? .. or, are some owners just not as critical of blemishes as others? Not sure.
Based on a number of postings, it seem that QC has improved somewhat.
When the first big production push came (8-10 months ago), improvements in QC seems to have been put on hold ..... production trumped QC. Many wrote about corporates decision to let the SC's correct the QC defects.
Prior to that, the SC's were receiving rave reviews .... writers could not say enough good things about the SC's.
But the SC's soon became overwhelmed, and there are not as many praiseworthy reports as there once were.
We all want Tesla not only to survive .... but to become a corporate success; a manufacturer of quality automobiles; and whose investors are rewarded with financial gain.
Another angle to this is, given the drastic price cuts(and more can be on the way), Tesla is moving from premium to econ sectors, so QC and customer service do not rank high on Tesla's priorities.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Well they're still in BMW3 territory and we're seeing some worse quality issues than a $25K Camry.
Just picked up my 3P today - very impressed with the Raleigh folks. I think my 3P is the cleanest car I've ever bought. (Includes new BMW/MBs)
That is a truly abhorrent attitude. Seriously, shame on you.
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