PessimiStick
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Here's a P100D launch at a drag strip.
Every car does it under acceleration. The degree that you feel it may be different depending on a number of factors, but all cars squat. Physics doesn't discriminate.
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Just test drove a Performance 3D
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Every car does it under acceleration. The degree that you feel it may be different depending on a number of factors, but all cars squat. Physics doesn't discriminate.
Volvo had active-suspension prototypes back in the late 80's (I think) that did this. They eliminated squat (on acceleration) and dive (on braking) and could even have the car lean into the turn on turns. New Scientist
The technology didn't end up being commercialized, however, because it interfered with "seat of the pants" cues for the driver and made the car difficult and unpleasant to drive.
Xenoilphobe
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Very remote must be where they filmed Mad Max..I can imagine all the Cops their grew up watching this..
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Asymmetry
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Thanks to performance cars I learned to be my own legal council in a court of law (I'm not paying for a lawyer and the ones I saw where a joke), not something to be proud of but found useful later in life. As you said has be air tight. Of the occasion there was no way out (I had no contrary supporting evidence but was able to prove doubt) I was able to bargain a lesser fine and another have the charge dismissed due to my clean driving record, driver training history and professional title. Even so it was still difficult and heavily dependent on the Judge's mood.
I did say fast cars are fun didn't I....
PS. LEOs?
Nah too easy, same way I see people jamming on their brakes on big downhill freeways and through corners randomly in the wet to keep under the limit, just plain stupid. The ones that dont use cruise control in the dry piss me off, especially if its a $100K+ euro junker that has radar guide cruise control that they ignore but drive it like a 80s Toyota corolla
Calm down princess, I said its poor value and wont appreciate it unless you take it to the track, which I suggest P3D owners should do so they can explore and enjoy their cars, fast cars are fun but can get you into trouble. If you do a track day, you will get it out of your system, can enjoy driving the car normally and be happy you have that extra power at your disposal.
Its good but its no cloaking device, drive like a clown you will get done or in an accident. Problem is with fast car is that people dont expect them, EVs will be worse because no noise. If you ever driven a motorbike on the road you will understand this, first thing you do is slapp on a loud pipe.
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ℬête Noire
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sreams
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I hate Sydney's traffic control too, but the numbers don't lie...
There are factors other than law enforcement that impact how dangerous it is to drive in a given country.
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Very true.
If the police took a year off I doubt Australia's traffic would become like India's. It would be a fun experiment though...
Test drove a P3D+ today and it was quite fun! Hopping on the highway via a short on ramp was no problem, and very exhilarating. The car itself seemed to have more wind noise than a LR 3 I drove via Turo last month. The drive was smooth, and flat through corners. The white interior was soft, amazing to look at, but had a strong new car odor that I don't look forward to. Can't wait for the arrival of mine in the next week or two!
loganthefirst
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You should move to Alice Springs. I spent a year in Oz with my wife and Uluru was one of our favorite spots...but boy, is it desolate out there, lol. Like DESOLATE. Ps. We love your country and if it were easy, we'd leave Trump States and live forever in the Whitsundays, haha.
MarcG
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Depends on when said P85D was manufactured. Tesla softened the suspension for P85D cars made after April 2015 and never brought the + suspension back, which is a huge shame.
Correct. I have the stiffer suspension that came on the P85+. (Which coincidentally was my previous Tesla.)
All these newer vehicles are way to soft for me.
All these newer vehicles are way to soft for me.
MarcG
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Agreed! I don't understand why even the flagship Model S P100D doesn't have the P+ suspension...
Anyway, back on topic: curious to know if the OP has any thoughts on the cornering capabilities of the M3P.
I'll be test-driving one on Saturday and will provide feedback then, but in the meantime any feedback would be highly appreciated!
Here's my notes comparing the Model 3 AWD Performance to my P85D (with P85+ suspension.)
My P85D was able to handle the same S curves, balanced and tight. Though it felt much heavier. I got the tires to screech in both cars,it might just have been the road materials in that area that I test drove it in.
My P85D is definitely more punchy from 0 to 40 but after 40 the P85D lets up. The 3 is less punchy 0-30 but then it starts pushing you harder than the P85D around 40 MPH.
The P85D feels more stable and planted but that might just be the extra weight and/or the air suspension.
If I had the choice to drive either one I think the P85D would be slightly better for normal day to day spirited driving, especially on the freeway. The 3 would take it if you just wanted to have a little more through the corners and a better 40-80 MPH car. Mind you this is comparing a P85D with P85+ suspension which is a more aggressive set up than what you'd get today in an S.
I know they can eek out a better 0-60, at least 3 seconds flat. They just have to punch you from 0-30 (which I know they can). Would be amazing if they did that later on with a software update.
The P85D to me felt more comfortable to drive, I also had more confidence than in the 3. It could be because I’ve been driving it longer, time will tell when I swap cars in a month or two.
The 3 felt like it was on rails and a slight flick of the steering wheel and you’re gone--into the next lane. The 3 is extremely responsive and unforgiving in a way whereas the P85D required more steering before you’d end up in the next lane. Not sure if that makes sense.
My P85D was able to handle the same S curves, balanced and tight. Though it felt much heavier. I got the tires to screech in both cars,it might just have been the road materials in that area that I test drove it in.
My P85D is definitely more punchy from 0 to 40 but after 40 the P85D lets up. The 3 is less punchy 0-30 but then it starts pushing you harder than the P85D around 40 MPH.
The P85D feels more stable and planted but that might just be the extra weight and/or the air suspension.
If I had the choice to drive either one I think the P85D would be slightly better for normal day to day spirited driving, especially on the freeway. The 3 would take it if you just wanted to have a little more through the corners and a better 40-80 MPH car. Mind you this is comparing a P85D with P85+ suspension which is a more aggressive set up than what you'd get today in an S.
I know they can eek out a better 0-60, at least 3 seconds flat. They just have to punch you from 0-30 (which I know they can). Would be amazing if they did that later on with a software update.
The P85D to me felt more comfortable to drive, I also had more confidence than in the 3. It could be because I’ve been driving it longer, time will tell when I swap cars in a month or two.
The 3 felt like it was on rails and a slight flick of the steering wheel and you’re gone--into the next lane. The 3 is extremely responsive and unforgiving in a way whereas the P85D required more steering before you’d end up in the next lane. Not sure if that makes sense.
Well, compared to my P85D it's slightly more twitchy. That's because the steering wheel is smaller, less weight and it's a smaller car. It would be like comparing a BMW M3 to a BMW M6. I've driven both of those, and you eventually get used to whatever car you have. So it's not like a bad twitchy, it's just that if you are coming from a Model S then, yeah, it's more twitchy. Again, not in a bad way, just in a way that you will eventually get used to. And if you went back to a Model S you'd probably say the steering was too slow...
Just another data point...
I had a brief test drive today of Performance 3 in with dry pavement in Bellevue/Redmond, WA. It definitely has less "gut punch" than my current daily driver Dec '14 P100D, and felt "about like" (~19 month old) memories of my Dec '14 P85D -- maybe between Insane (pre-op) and Ludicrous (post-op). It definitely has the same "keep pulling" feel after ~40mph that P85D added to P85D. Definitely feels nimbler/lighter than both S. Unquestionably better all-around driving experience than '12 S P85 (sorry, TesS; still love ya).
The biggest takeaway for me was the behavior when losing traction. I took a few on- and off-ramps with, um, "spirit". At one moment, it felt like all 4 tires broke loose (i.e. drift). That's not something I've ever felt in the S on dry pavement. But that part wasn't the surprising part. What impressed me was how the car reacted -- traction re-acquired, let's keep moving, no power nanny. I've never felt a Tesla S that didn't argue with me when traction let loose even slightly. Note: This isn't with Track Mode (which wasn't even available in the firmware on my test drive).
Approximate location ~ 1:45pm PT:
https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=6623692d-7e0e-4815-a893-d06e5f2a64d9&cp=47.666652~-122.128753&lvl=18&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027
When I got home, this caught my eye in the Q2'18 Update Letter:
I had a brief test drive today of Performance 3 in with dry pavement in Bellevue/Redmond, WA. It definitely has less "gut punch" than my current daily driver Dec '14 P100D, and felt "about like" (~19 month old) memories of my Dec '14 P85D -- maybe between Insane (pre-op) and Ludicrous (post-op). It definitely has the same "keep pulling" feel after ~40mph that P85D added to P85D. Definitely feels nimbler/lighter than both S. Unquestionably better all-around driving experience than '12 S P85 (sorry, TesS; still love ya).
The biggest takeaway for me was the behavior when losing traction. I took a few on- and off-ramps with, um, "spirit". At one moment, it felt like all 4 tires broke loose (i.e. drift). That's not something I've ever felt in the S on dry pavement. But that part wasn't the surprising part. What impressed me was how the car reacted -- traction re-acquired, let's keep moving, no power nanny. I've never felt a Tesla S that didn't argue with me when traction let loose even slightly. Note: This isn't with Track Mode (which wasn't even available in the firmware on my test drive).
Approximate location ~ 1:45pm PT:
https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=6623692d-7e0e-4815-a893-d06e5f2a64d9&cp=47.666652~-122.128753&lvl=18&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027
When I got home, this caught my eye in the Q2'18 Update Letter:
Now that you mentioned it, that’s exactly what I experienced too. All four tires were screeching and the car had no problem with it. It didn’t back off, it let me ride the edge of traction.
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