That is definitely concern #2 but based on reading the various forums the car should generally still work even if it needs service (so I can make it to Chicago if mobile can’t take care of it). Part of me wants to get one to poke Michigan legislature in the eye over not allowing Tesla to sell here.
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Largest concern about buying a model 3
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Gotcha, just wanted to make sure you were aware. My Mom lives in Grand Haven, and I am always stoked to see Teslas in town when we visit. Stopped in the same shopping center as the Muskegon superchargers one day, made me miss my car, LOL.
Nice I live outside spring lake so I know exactly where you are talking about.
Yes I imagine this administration would dance a jig if anything bad happened to any company based in California. They would probably be happy to see the entire state fall into the sea.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Check out this well written article about Tesla and why they will be successful:
http://www.hamidshojaee.com/post/184522555004/teslas-autonomy-day-the-stock-short-sellers-and
15K is well within lease range.
Typical lease contract terms are for either 24 or 36 months, at 10-12-15K miles per year.
There is also a (sometimes cheap, sometime expensive) pro-rated per mile extra charge above those limits.
Tesla is not a "typical" car company, and I haven't researched its lease terms, but I can guarantee you that BMW, Nissan and Toyota will all have at least 6 lease permutations on offer.
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Mediocre service does not mean drop in sales and demand.
It may imply slower sales growth, but how much can be attributed to demand transfer to 4Q'18 before Federal incentives got halved vs. service issues, is unclear.
I guess we will find out with 2Q'19 sales #s.
In the mean time, Musk is making an awefull lot of rookie manufacturing and supply-chain mistakes, and is showing few signs of learning from them.
Product is fantastic, but the company badly needs a hard-nosed manufacturing COO who would banish Elon from micro-managing on the production floor, and free him to focus on product roadmap and strategy, which is what CEO is supposed to do.
VW owns Bugatti
German government & labor unions are the largest shareholders of VW, so your larger point is valid.
IMHO, Tesla can shut down all car sales in the US, shut down the Freemont factory, and still appreciate in value.
As long as they complete and turn up the Chinese gigafactory 3 later this year, Tesla market value will appreciate.
China is 50+% of the EV market in the world, and Chairman Xi is personally a Musk fan (and Chinese government is financing Tesla's Shanghai factory!), so that's about all that needs to be said about Tesla's prospects in China.
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lynnpt2001
Cookie Monster MX & M3
Actually, Obama stole GM and Chrysler from the secured creditors and did a sweetheart deal to give the companies to the unions.
A REGULAR bankruptcy would have been great.
Most of us would be happy to see this liberal hellhole fall into the sea. MAGA.
⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️
Village Idiot
Just buy the stupid car. It's awesome and it's the automobile deal of the century. Only a fool would buy a new gas car with Tesla now selling cars in the low $30,000s after rebates.
SammichLover
Banned
??? Are you a Rip Van Winkle knock-off that fell asleep in January and just woke up 5 minutes before that post, so are a little out of touch with the current state of affairs?
N5329K
Active Member
No. I did try to configure a $35K SR online, though.
Robin
SammichLover
Banned
Because you can't afford a phone, and your parents won't let you use their's upstairs, to call and ask for the $35,000 vehicle they are building and selling? LOL
P.S. We aren't buying the road apples your selling, though.
N5329K
Active Member
SammichLover
Banned
When your argument is "They aren't building and selling the vehicle that they are actually building and selling because I can't order it via the medium I want, rather I'd have to use an equivalent medium" then that is exactly what your are doing. Trying to sell us horse turds.
Shoo fly.
N5329K
Active Member
I think you might have misunderstood, so allow me to ignore your manners and take your message more seriously.
I’m definitely not upset that I couldn’t order an SR M3 by phone. Or by visiting the local store. Or by smoke signal. If and when Tesla does offer them again through their regular configuration page (meaning they’ve decided it’s OK to sell them) I will not be ordering one. The rear wheel drive LR meets my needs better (and is, for the moment, also among the missing). If they solve their spotty QC and service issues, that’s the one I will order when the time comes.
What does concern me is this: Tesla sent the base model off to the place where unwanted model variants are supposed to die. They have done this before. They did it for a reason then, and they’ve done it for a reason now. As I said, it might even be a good reason, in the short term anyway. If you need the margins, you up sell to more expensive cars.
But in the longer term, cutting off the base of your demand and focusing on those higher-margin vehicles means staying a niche manufacturer for a while longer. It is not consistent with a corporate build out designed to sell base model cars in base model numbers. And to circle back to the OP who was concerned about buying an expensive orphan, that is a probably a legitimate worry, but certainly not to everyone. Plenty of optioned up M3’s are being sold, and I hope the next sales report shows a strong recovery from Q1 winter doldrums.
Hope that helps,
Robin
I’m definitely not upset that I couldn’t order an SR M3 by phone. Or by visiting the local store. Or by smoke signal. If and when Tesla does offer them again through their regular configuration page (meaning they’ve decided it’s OK to sell them) I will not be ordering one. The rear wheel drive LR meets my needs better (and is, for the moment, also among the missing). If they solve their spotty QC and service issues, that’s the one I will order when the time comes.
What does concern me is this: Tesla sent the base model off to the place where unwanted model variants are supposed to die. They have done this before. They did it for a reason then, and they’ve done it for a reason now. As I said, it might even be a good reason, in the short term anyway. If you need the margins, you up sell to more expensive cars.
But in the longer term, cutting off the base of your demand and focusing on those higher-margin vehicles means staying a niche manufacturer for a while longer. It is not consistent with a corporate build out designed to sell base model cars in base model numbers. And to circle back to the OP who was concerned about buying an expensive orphan, that is a probably a legitimate worry, but certainly not to everyone. Plenty of optioned up M3’s are being sold, and I hope the next sales report shows a strong recovery from Q1 winter doldrums.
Hope that helps,
Robin
SammichLover
Banned
I understood perfectly well that you weren't making an honest statement, that you hadn't actually tried to build the order. I also understand you're either still not being honest, or in your head you're truly that irrational, about actually addressing your assertion implied in.
That you're at heart a concern troll, it is really literally the only reason for you to be here. Maybe it always was?
AKA welcome to the reality the living memory of automobiles. Except that Tesla is actually selling the "stripper" variant, as opposed to most companies where you normally can't find it at all unless you're a fleet operator buying in bulk.
When they stopped selling the LR RWD outside of "special order" last year....and then started selling it via online configuration again a couple months later.
The "niche" that is roughly a $4000 higher price point? (Is that where it is at now?) LOL
Bottom line is Tesla can, and is, selling the $35,000. Your statements otherwise is demonstrable flat out incorrect on the face of it, notwithstanding is your dishonest doubling down attempts to defend those statements rather than showing some character and acknowledging they are false.
Tesla is, and likely will be for some years to come, cell production constrained. Why? Because demand is so high, so:
1) mass sales isn't limited by this variant's easy of ordering, isn't hurt by them negative selling it somewhat, to an extent that is lower than normal for the automobile industry.
2) it is in Tesla's best interest, and ultimately in the best interest of owners of Tesla vehicles, to skew higher the revenue and margin per unit of that limited resource
What you're getting at here is just boils down to a convoluted version of the tired "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded", with the twist of trying to recycle the "they'll never build the $35K vehicle" after any semblance of legitimacy in that bear talking point has died, been buried, dug up, cremated, and buried again.
Nothing but concern trolling.
Nothing.
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