But the site is still showing an estimated delivery of December, so you should still be able to get the 2016 tax credit. Even more likely if you re-ordered right after the announcement.
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Letter to Mr. Musk from a 1-day old outdated Model S owner
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But the site is still showing an estimated delivery of December, so you should still be able to get the 2016 tax credit. Even more likely if you re-ordered right after the announcement.
Garlan Garner
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I fully understand what you are saying.
Yes AP 2.0 was coming out.
Many people knew about it.
And many AP 1.0 buyers thought they could upgrade to it.
If they knew it "wasn't upgradable" many would have waited.
The inability to upgrade from 1.0 wasn't announced until 2.0 was already out.
The fact there is a new "super-computer" running it wasn't announced until it was already out.
The fact that there are 8 cameras installed all over the car wasn't announced until 2.0 was already out.
The price of AP 2.0 wasn't announced until it was already out.
The fact that cars had exited the production line equipped with 2.0 hardware wasn't announced until 2.0 was already out.
The fact that upgrading from 1.0 to 2.0 would be equivalent to changing a spinal conium in a human wasn't announced until 2.0 was already out.
These facts were known by Tesla as they were still selling AP 1.0.
It has nothing to do with the fact that people knew it was coming out or not. The big thing about Tesla has been the fact that their cars "have been" upgradable.
If your falcon wing doors aren't working quite right....we will adjust that in software release xyz.
If your maps aren't up to par, or anything in the car isn't up to snuff....wait until software release xyz.
That has been more than satisfactory. It has been absolutely fantastic.
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Chopr147
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I have to disagree with you here. Many informed buyers knew a retrofit would not be available. Now granted I did not know they were adding cameras, super-computer etc.....but assumed AP 2 would be the next step forward. Tesla history shows retrofits are not in their vocabulary.
My S is 2 months old and I remember when I ordered in June many here saying they would wait until 2.0. Good for them. Me? i took the plunge w/o any regrets. Point being I ordered with the full knowledge Tesla will make my car "old" with the next big announcement.
Garlan Garner
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I'm just quoting Mr. Elon musk's announcement when he says that "After Today" every delivery will contain AP2 hardware.
Garlan Garner
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How would they have known when there was no knowledge of the hardware. There was nothing official on the Tesla website.
Did I miss it? or are we talking about speculation of non-upgradableness?
I'm not asking to disagree with you...I'm asking because I want to know what website to go to for the AP 3.0 announcement or such. I'm serious.
Garlan Garner
Banned
dhanson865....do you have anything you want to say? Or are you just looking for all of my posts to put a dislike on?
I'm not up on the lingo. Is that what a troll is? tons of dislikes in a row? I seriously don't know.
I'm not up on the lingo. Is that what a troll is? tons of dislikes in a row? I seriously don't know.
No he said every car leaving the factory would have AP2 hardware. Obviously cars were in transit before the announcement and they won't be delivered with AP2 hardware even though they are going to be delivered after the announcement.
Now you're stretching credulity. Ap1.0 certainly couldn't be installed in classic cars (wk057 aside). And if anybody thought that AP1.0 was upgradable then I'm at a loss. Nobody with any understanding of the technology on this website would have suggested that this was possible. And if they did, they were drunk.
I'm starting to think that you're just trolling people here, by saying ridiculous things.
Chopr147
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I assumed. But that assumption was by reading TMC, reading Tesla reports, listening to Elon etc..... Sometimes you have to read between the lines. I'm not saying "I knew" but I did order to purchase in June and 1 day before pick-up in August I changed it to a lease. Elon tweeted "it will blow your mind" sometime in July I think it was. I just did not see how 1 camera and sensors would be good enough and did not see any future retro-fits. My informed opinion only.
I have empathy for those of you who just bought before a new feature came out. It does not mean I think you are owed anything or that Tesla did anything wrong. I mean, I empathize with the poor guy dropped his flood insurance last year after paying for it thirty years when he had a mortgage with no claims and then a "1000 year flood event" destroyed his home 4 months later. I don't think FEMA owes him anything though.
He didn't insult you. He just pointed out the facts. If you are saying you did not realize those things were common knowledge maybe you should have someone else help you with major purchase decisions/advice or do more research before committing?
Krugerrand
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If you're insulted then that's because you wanted to be. Go back and reread what I posted, there's not one name calling in that post. NOT. ONE.
It's obvious you do care and you're not happy. Stating otherwise doesn't fool me.
Here is the problem: We have been told so many times "The Customer is Always Right". That is one of the most idiotic statements ever. There is some meaning behind it that is true, in the respect that the customer votes with his wallet but it has been twisted to make customers thing they are "entitled" to whatever they want by virtue of being a customer. That's stupid and incorrect. Sorry you are dis-satisfied (really I am), but this is not the first, not the second, not even the third time this has happened with Tesla and this upgrade was much more telegraphed than most previous ones so you should really think about what really is the blame for your unhappiness. You remind me of a guy last Holiday season who placed an order just over a week before Christmas and thought that based on our location and his it would take about a week to arrive to him. His assumption was wrong because we shipped it from a vendor closer to him and he got it in 2 days. Unfortunately, he was not anticipating it and because it arrived too soon he did not take care to intercept it before the kids got home and they saw it on the front porch. He called and left the nastiest voicemail about how we "ruined his children's Christmas". No call to make sure when it would arrive, no call to ask if we could somehow put it into a plain box or otherwise conceal what it was. The analogy is this: Tesla delivered an upgrade too quickly for you and you are unhappy. If they waited until the Model 3 was released you would be fine with it but they exceeded your expectations and it upset you.
How was Tesla crude and rude? I have not heard about this so please give us the deets
So was Tesla Crude and Rude or was it just one of us forum members? There's a huge difference.
MPMike 'disliked' (whatever) my post because I said if you cancelled your AP1 delivery today and placed an AP2 delivery I think you would be putting the 2016 Tax Credit at risk which 'could' snowball down to a Model 3.
Because the DS has not seen any AP2 deliveries and there is some still in the queue I am unsure if Tesla can still make end of year deliveries. Thanksgiving and Christmas are slow periods in Silicon Valley.
You got the latest and the greatest that was available at the time you placed your order. I mean, in the context of what you are saying, if I order a new Corvette today, and 3-4 years from now they come out with the Mid-Engine model (that we know they are working on now) should I feel wronged? I mean, it's in development so why wasn't I sold that item instead? i just bought my son an iPhone7 but I know they are working on the next model so why am I not getting that? I really feel for your situation but I don't think Tesla wronged you by delivering what you ordered.
Garlan Garner
Banned
3-4 years of separation between upgrades are just fine in my opinion concerning this situation. In the rest of my posts you will see the details behind
Tesla is still shipping non-upgradable AP1.0's right now. Even though AP2.0 is out ( according to Elon ). People are still waiting for delivery of their outdated non-upgradable AP 1.0's.
It would be interesting if a person waiting for a $150K AP 1.0 Model S would chime in saying that "I knew I wouldn't be able to upgrade to AP 2.0, however I bought the car anyway".
Garlan Garner
Banned
no...I don't call people names. I would never say that someone is crude or rude. Absolutely not.
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