LR AWD getting a new battery chemistry for 2023?

[AlanSubie4Life]

I am also convinced that this change is the introduction of thf LG 5L 79kWh Pack in the north American market.

Just seems like a big change in range (even 78 vs 82 would give 336). Maybe they also used a slightly smaller scale factor because it did worse in the cold UDDS, so in combination with less energy that brought it to 333. Or they voluntarily reduced the range for some reason in conjunction with switch to LG.

Data will show up eventually. Probably within three months.

 

[mjwojtukiewicz]

On their website it says after 12.31.2023 you may not get full $7500 which indicates to me they will be using Chinese made batteries in M3 Refresh.

 

[AAKEE]

Just seems like a big change in range (even 78 vs 82 would give 336). Maybe they also used a slightly smaller scale factor because it did worse in the cold UDDS, so in combination with less energy that brought it to 333. Or they voluntarily reduced the range for some reason in conjunction with switch to LG.

Data will show up eventually. Probably within three months.

(358 / 82) x 78 is 340, so not even that in my calc.

 

[E90alex]

On their website it says after 12.31.2023 you may not get full $7500 which indicates to me they will be using Chinese made batteries in M3 Refresh.

They’re already using Chinese made cells. The IRS rules for critical minerals and critical battery components changes for 2024.

 

[mjwojtukiewicz]

They’re already using Chinese made cells. The IRS rules for critical minerals and critical battery components changes for 2024.

Then how was it a month or so ago one of the model 3 only got $3750 where the miileage was 313+

 

[E90alex]

Then how was it a month or so ago one of the model 3 only got $3750 where the miileage was 313+

It’s has been updated to be $7500 now, retroactively, for all Model 3 purchased since 04/18/2023. Including the RWD which has always had China made LFP cells.

 

[AAKEE]

The 4680 cells seem to use NMC, which give a lower capacity than NCA.

The AWD Y in us use the structural pack with 4680 and has clearly lower range.

As it seems, a change to LG M50 in the same pack as EU would change the range like it did in the M3P that was in the same config with both packs, 567km vs 547 km WLTP. It reflects the difference quite well between the pana 82.1kWh and the LG 78.8.

Is it possible that the refreshed highland Model 3 get a 4680 structural pack and they start reducing the EPA so people get used to the new lower number? Or maybe use a nonstructural pack with 4680?

At some point they probably would like to reduge the number of different cells ?

 

[pdx_m3s]

The 4680 cells seem to use NMC, which give a lower capacity than NCA.

The AWD Y in us use the structural pack with 4680 and has clearly lower range.

As it seems, a change to LG M50 in the same pack as EU would change the range like it did in the M3P that was in the same config with both packs, 567km vs 547 km WLTP. It reflects the difference quite well between the pana 82.1kWh and the LG 78.8.

Is it possible that the refreshed highland Model 3 get a 4680 structural pack and they start reducing the EPA so people get used to the new lower number? Or maybe use a nonstructural pack with 4680?

At some point they probably would like to reduge the number of different cells ?

I think they are going to need every last drop of 4680s for Cybertruck. 2170 cell supply is well established, so I expect Highland to continue with 2170s for P and LR trims.

 

[AAKEE]

I think they are going to need every last drop of 4680s for Cybertruck. 2170 cell supply is well established, so I expect Highland to continue with 2170s for P and LR trims.

Possibly changing the own 2170 to NMC then?