Mandatory Autopilot Training + Refresher Training?

[Enthalpy]

Again, afaik you have zero experience with autopilot - which has no correlation to operating a nuclear reactor lol. It's steering folks. It works or it doesn't. Look st the road. Take over if it fails. There is no class material you could teach lol.

You miss my point and probably OPs point.

When we give in to automation, you get less proficiency because you aren't dealing with the day to day events and issues. And when the system functions correctly 99.9% you get conditioned that it's going to keep functioning correctly. The problem is when that control system fails, the consequences tend to be pretty bad.

Think about it, automatic control systems whether it's autopilot in a plane or car or whatever, they are so well designed that all minor issues are solved automatically in the software. So the issues that you actually see are more severe ones which require prompt human intervention to mitigate. But your drivers are all lower proficiency drivers and are conditioned to trust autopilot. Proficiency is low because of the reliance on auto pilot. So when these events occur the likelihood for an accident with serious consequences is elevated. Someone who is trained on the failure modes of the control system can recognize these conditions, not be lulled into a false sense of security, and take mitigating actions promptly.

That's what we are saying.

And saying autopilot is less risk is true, but remember risk is probability times consequence. You still have high consequence scenarios and having a proficient driver or operator or whatever is how you mitigate those cases.

 

[dsvick]

You miss my point and probably OPs point.

When we give in to automation, you get less proficiency because you aren't dealing with the day to day events and issues. And when the system functions correctly 99.9% you get conditioned that it's going to keep functioning correctly. The problem is when that control system fails, the consequences tend to be pretty bad.

Think about it, automatic control systems whether it's autopilot in a plane or car or whatever, they are so well designed that all minor issues are solved automatically in the software. So the issues that you actually see are more severe ones which require prompt human intervention to mitigate. But your drivers are all lower proficiency drivers and are conditioned to trust autopilot. Proficiency is low because of the reliance on auto pilot. So when these events occur the likelihood for an accident with serious consequences is elevated. Someone who is trained on the failure modes of the control system can recognize these conditions, not be lulled into a false sense of security, and take mitigating actions promptly.

That's what we are saying.

And saying autopilot is less risk is true, but remember risk is probability times consequence. You still have high consequence scenarios and having a proficient driver or operator or whatever is how you mitigate those cases.

If your case is that "when it fails it is usually the worst case scenario" then the whole point fairly silly since most drivers right now, even with years of experience, most likely would not be able to adequately recover in those sorts of situations. So you think someone that sits through a couple hour class once every year or two is going to be able to? Never. Going. To. Happen.

Your saying everyone needs to be trained to Nascar driver levels on the off chance that they're in a catastrophic accident.

 

[Candleflame]

what you are saying is that America needs to introduce a proper driving test and proper driving lessons. Well, we all know that, this has nothing to do with Tesla or autopilot technology.