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MAR2023: My Experience Driving 1,367mi Down Into California and Back

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Just drove down into CA and back home on a road trip with my family of five.
- Drove 1,367mi total.
- Used TESLA Superchargers mostly.
- Average TESLA Supercharger price: $0.40/kWh (MIN: $0.34/kWh | MAX: $0.48/kWh)
NOTE: I pay an average of $0.08353/kWh to charge at home, so paying $0.48/kWh is an abomination!!!
- Longest TESLA Supercharger Charge Time*: 50min (Est.) @ 250kW
- Longest non-Supercharger Charge Time*: 2.5hrs @ 8kW (32A)
- Spent $176.96 total on charging**.
- Total trip cost ICE equivalent (24mpg): $209.15 (Est. @ $3.67/gal)

* Charging sessions where we actively sat and waited, not counting charging passively at the hotel, etc.
** Charged FREE overnight at one hotel and paid a flat $10.00 twice to slow charge at an RV park in BFE.

Takeaways...

We have driven this trip and this specific route many times over the years, and it normally takes about 10.5hrs (in our ICE vehicle @ 24mpg) including stops for fuel and restroom breaks; plus, we lose 1hr going to CA and gain 1hr coming home (due to the time change). Heading to CA in our TESLA Model Y took us 15.5hrs, including time spent charging and restroom breaks, etc. There was substantial range anxiety on the way to CA, especially, because the normal route we would take was beyond the actual range of our TESLA (but not beyond the rated range). Our Model Y is rated at 321mi of range, but our first TESLA Supercharger was 254mi from our home (we left our home with 100% SOC). After much stress, we found an RV park in BFE (about 45min from the first TESLA Supercharger along our route) that allowed us to charge using my NIMA 14-50 TESLA Mobile Connector @ 8kW (32A) for a flat $10.00. Our SOC was very low, so we charged up there to about 15% SOC before heading on to the TESLA Supercharger, but by the time we arrived at that first TESLA Supercharger 45min away, we had -4% SOC. (Not kidding! NEGATIVE 4% SOC!!!) Not only did this stress us out immensely (we thought we weren't going to make it), but I feared that going below 0% may have damaged our battery pack. (It still may have damaged it and we don't even know it!) While at that first TESLA Supercharger along our route, we charged 81kWh in about 35-45min. My Model Y supposedly only has a battery pack that is 78.3kWh, so explain that one to me!

Why didn't you just enter your destination and follow the on-screen GPS and charge accordingly, you ask???? Well, because we always go that route, for one thing. Plus, the route that the car wanted us to follow was going to take us 2hrs in the wrong direction, which made no sense to me. I track my normal TESLA driving efficiency using the TezLab app, so I figured that I should be able to travel the 254mi from a 100% SOC if I go slower (I normally speed, going 10-15mi over the speed limit). I then drove 55mph and 60mph the whole way until our first charge, which seemed to help little or not at all. Tractor trailers were getting mad at me, passing me ASAP along the two lane highway.

Once we were near civilization and were able to use ALL TESLA Superchargers, it was a breeze and wasn't stressful at all, although it definitely added time to our drives. We knew we could charge for $10 at that RV park along our normal route on the way back, so that is what we did. Unfortunately, I did not know that you cannot install a software update while charging (or while driving) the TESLA, so shortly after I began charging @ 8kW (32A) at the RV park, I started the software installation, which promptly cut off my charging session, which fact I did not realize until about 25min into the install, which installation took about 35min total. We made sure to charge up to 100% SOC at that last TESLA Supercharger before heading to that RV park toward home. (This was the first TESLA Supercharger on our way to CA.) We had a 78% SOC when we arrived at the RV park, and we charged up to 95% SOC before heading on for home. We had 3% SOC when we arrived home. It was MUCH less stressful driving and charging on the way home than it was on the way to CA, but it still was not stress-free.

We learned the hard way on the drive home (after seeing the "red steering wheel of death" about 3x) that if you manually exceed the MAX speed TESLA allows for auto-steer (85mph), then that feature will be disabled for the rest of the drive. So, we kept having to pull over while driving on a two-lane highway; put the TESLA in PARK; open the driver door briefly; and then pull back out onto the highway to regain the use of this feature. Maybe I'm spoiled, but driving for hours and hours on a two-lane highway WITHOUT auto-steer sucks! (NOTE: Our HONDA Odyssey has lane keeping, which works well on a road trip, although it is not as good as TESLA's Autopilot.) We also experienced several instances of phantom braking that was most unpleasant. Our HONDA Odyssey has never once done this, and it has adaptive cruise control. It seems like Autopilot gets scared as the TESLA approaches the top of a ridge in the road.

Also, while we love how much storage our Model Y has, it really makes things fairly tight, as some of the rear storage space is deceptive and cannot fully be utilized while allowing the rear lift gate to latch shut. You must leave about a 6-8in gap between where the rear lift gate appears to close and your luggage or cooler, or else the rear lift gate will not close. I also did everything I could to avoid placing stored items on top of the rear shelf, but it could not be avoided on the way home, as we purchased some bags of merchandise. The frunk was fully utilized and so was the lower storage area below the rear cargo space (as well as the rear cargo space).

One other strange thing that occurred is that twice while I was charging at a 250kW TESLA Supercharger, steam or smoke started to rise from the passenger side, seemingly from underneath the hood of the car (under the frunk). This only lasted about 30sec or less, and both times it happened while it was colder and raining outside (maybe 47°F). Because it was wet out, it could have been steam from the thermal realities of Supercharging, or it could have been smoke. There were also a lot of clicks and a few thud noises that occurred while I was Supercharging.

I have estimated (pretty accurately, I might add) that we saved about $32 driving the Model Y on our road trip, as opposed to our ICE minivan that gets 24mpg and is much larger and more comfortable for the passengers. Was it worth it? I am unconvinced, even though I love driving my Model Y. However, my family all said that they wished we had taken the minivan.

I think the main takeaway is that until charging can be done even more quickly than it is today and until fast-charging locations are more prevalent than gas stations are today, then road trips in an EV for periods longer than 4-6hrs are not worth it, IMO. We would normally drive this route with a full tank of gas when leaving home and would have to stop once to fill up along the way, which is also our main potty break and food stop. This would add about 30min to our drive. Until EV's can do likewise, I am not sure that it makes sense to drive an EV on such a long road trip instead of an ICE vehicle. We hope to get a CyberTruck soon, but no one really knows how large and comfortable (or not) that EV will be. TESLA doesn't really make any large/r sized vehicles. The Model X is smaller than our HONDA Odyssey, which minivan is reasonably comfortable on a long road trip. (We drove it about 5,000mi on a 2.5wk road trip last summer and we were decently comfortable.) I could not imagine driving our Model Y on the same 5,000mi road trip. Also, I am utterly disappointed with the lack of savings from charging while driving our TESLA Model Y on road trips. My home electricity price per kWh is amazing, but I think it's ridiculous that I should have to pay 5x that price OR MORE to charge up on a road trip. That's the whole point of owning an EV! I've already paid damn near double to purchase this vehicle, so I should be getting more savings over ICE than a mere 15% at the Superchargers! (NOTE: My state also charges an additional $154 per year for my TESLA auto registration because it's an EV and I don't pay the fuel tax.)


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so in the end - the important point here is that EV's are only a practical choice for commuters due to the charge time limitations.

My long term transportation electrification theory is that the economies will soon be using EV's for general population, while heavy transport and equipment will be on hydrogen fuel cells.
Unless of course we soon come up with more time reasonable charging.
What about capacitors instead of batteries? Not an electrician, but for some reason this option always intrigued me.
No, no hydrogen please.

Regarding capacitors. Capacitors store charge, and when the charge is released the voltage across the capacitor falls down exponentially. It is a non-trivial electrical engineering problem to use the capacitor charge to run any electronics and motors that generally require a constant voltage.

Batteries, on another hand, do NOT store charge. They store energy in the form of chemical energy that moves the changes, and so comes the term "electromotive force" or e.m.f., which is a more accurate name for battery. The electric potential across the battery is defined by the chemical reaction, and it does not change much. This makes batteries very convenient to use in electronics.
 
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Agree with the OP. Tesla's are NOT good road trip vehicles no matter what the fan boys tell you. Much more hassle, worry, and wasted time.
With over 160,000 miles of "road trips" under my belt I would disagree. But then I did a lot of research here on the forums before my first trip; much easier to be prepared than scared or disappointed. Not a fan boy but love the cars and the experience. I don't have to catalogue the wonderful things about it for anyone who enjoys the experience. Every one else would enumerate the reasons why it's a hassle. During that time my MS has consumed an average or 295Wh/mile. My model Y does as well.
My range has always been close to advertised though I only have used the range infrequently: I generally charge to about 50%, drive until I reach 5-10% then repeat. Let's me stretch and enjoy. But then, I am in the early autumn of my years and spend more time smelling the roses. In my summer years I was the one blasting along at 80+. I like my new driving style a whole lot more.
 
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"We need better general public education about the use of EVs."

The EPA is the place to start. Their apparently unrealistic estimates generated under ideal conditions is the first source of the "general public's" misinformation.

I bought my MYLR last month with the understanding that the actual range was somewhere close to EPA's tested range of 330 miles. I knew EPA testing procedures were likely optimal so I was guessing 290-300 was the actual summertime number on a flat road not driving into a bloc headwind. From this thread it looks like the real world number is closer to 225 miles.

Under the conditions I just described, what are people's experience when starting a trip with a full charge?
i have a MYLR

don’t know if this answers…

when it is 70 degrees clear and flat i approach the stated value

when it’s 45 degrees rainy it may be 25% (or more) less

i bet ICE cars have a similar variation depending on driving conditions…

i really think we all frame it as range because charging is not ubiquitous and it take more then 5 minutes…

but range is really not the issue: for 99% of my trips with home charging range is not even an issue…all of the math and calculations just doesn’t matter …

what really matters is availability and time needed for charging…

i have no idea how people say the do these 4000 mile trips…if more than about 200 miles round trip…it becomes a bit stressful

for a huge road trip your going to spend at least several hours figuring out and implementing charging…
 
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Agree with the OP. Tesla's are NOT good road trip vehicles no matter what the fan boys tell you. Much more hassle, worry, and wasted time.
I’ve taken my Model S as Far East as Nova Scotia, to Florida to Rockies and back. I enjoy it. Sure, it’s not quite as convenient as gas but it certainly is a very capable road trip car. Especially if you also have access to the CCS network where Tesla may be lacking.
 
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i bet ICE cars have a similar variation depending on driving conditions…
Physics would tend to agree with you.
i really think we all frame it as range because charging is not ubiquitous and it take more then 5 minutes…
Let's talk about a specific road trip. Can you supply a starting city and a destination that you might want to visit? Without a specific road trip to discuss, there's no way to know how difficult it would be. I recently did a 4000+ mile road trip in the east and it couldn't have been easier.

As for charging time, that's a matter of psychology and practicality. For someone who must be at a destination at a specific time, taking a Tesla will involve leaving earlier because of the charging delays. For those who are just road tripping, it's a matter of how the driver looks at the trip. If they're enjoying being on the road, then the charging time is just a nice break while travelling. A chance to stretch the legs, check the phone, go to the bathroom, grab a snack. If they're only thinking about being at their destination, then the charging time is a delay, an obstruction - as is the entire trip. I'm in the former camp, and I do not envy those in the latter.
 
Physics would tend to agree with you.

Let's talk about a specific road trip. Can you supply a starting city and a destination that you might want to visit? Without a specific road trip to discuss, there's no way to know how difficult it would be. I recently did a 4000+ mile road trip in the east and it couldn't have been easier.

We live in an RUSH HOUR society. Time is precious to us. When one thinks that it will take 20% more time to travel the distance in an electric car - they simply discard the concept.
My friend drives to Florida and back every month or so for pleasure, but he wants to do it as quick as possible, and absolutely refuses the idea of a Tesla because it adds about 3 hours to his trip time.
I did the same recently in my M3P and absolutely loved it - didn't really care about the extra few hours primarily because when I arrived, I wasn't as exhausted as I was doing the same in the ICE car.
 
i have a MYLR

don’t know if this answers…

when it is 70 degrees clear and flat i approach the stated value

when it’s 45 degrees rainy it may be 25% (or more) less

i bet ICE cars have a similar variation depending on driving conditions…

i really think we all frame it as range because charging is not ubiquitous and it take more then 5 minutes…

but range is really not the issue: for 99% of my trips with home charging range is not even an issue…all of the math and calculations just doesn’t matter …

what really matters is availability and time needed for charging…

i have no idea how people say the do these 4000 mile trips…if more than about 200 miles round trip…it becomes a bit stressful

for a huge road trip your going to spend at least several hours figuring out and implementing charging…
Thanks DB for your answers. Agree that most of my driving is local and so range will have no influence on the pleasure of driving my MYLR. And when it comes to road trips, I usually have flexibility to leave earlier so as to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of an EV.
 
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i have a MYLR

don’t know if this answers…

when it is 70 degrees clear and flat i approach the stated value

when it’s 45 degrees rainy it may be 25% (or more) less

i bet ICE cars have a similar variation depending on driving conditions…

i really think we all frame it as range because charging is not ubiquitous and it take more then 5 minutes…

but range is really not the issue: for 99% of my trips with home charging range is not even an issue…all of the math and calculations just doesn’t matter …

what really matters is availability and time needed for charging…

i have no idea how people say the do these 4000 mile trips…if more than about 200 miles round trip…it becomes a bit stressful

for a huge road trip your going to spend at least several hours figuring out and implementing charging…
The car literally tells you when and where to stop for charging, you just have to follow along, several hours of planning not needed.

For road trips, I take the battery from 60% to 10%, this takes 12 minutes to charge, so just slightly more than 5.
 
i have no idea how people say the do these 4000 mile trips…if more than about 200 miles round trip…it becomes a bit stressful

for a huge road trip your going to spend at least several hours figuring out and implementing charging…
I had several 3000+ mile trips. I don't have to plan too much more than any other trip. Charging is just a normal stop for rest and food every 2-3 hours. If you have 10 hours driving to do in a day, it is done with 3 charging stops on average. Each stop could be about 30 minutes or so. Could I have done this trip with one 10 minute stop in an ICE car? Sure. Would I want a trip like that? Not at all.
 
I had several 3000+ mile trips. I don't have to plan too much more than any other trip. Charging is just a normal stop for rest and food every 2-3 hours. If you have 10 hours driving to do in a day, it is done with 3 charging stops on average. Each stop could be about 30 minutes or so. Could I have done this trip with one 10 minute stop in an ICE car? Sure. Would I want a trip like that? Not at all.
if you’ve done several 3000+ mile trips then your in the top 0.0001% of road tripping…i’ve been driving for 40 years and i have never done it…congrats !

a 3000+ trip will be at least 40 hours of driving and charging every will take at least several hours…
 
if you’ve done several 3000+ mile trips then your in the top 0.0001% of road tripping…i’ve been driving for 40 years and i have never done it…congrats !

a 3000+ trip will be at least 40 hours of driving and charging every will take at least several hours…

I did two trips last summer totaling 10k miles.

Not sure how others do it but I time my charging with other activities like eating, sleeping, bathroom breaks , etc.

It isn’t like the charging time spent is 100% additional time.

But for those that prefer to cannonball run a road trip, then an EV is not the way to go.
 
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we charged 81kWh in about 35-45min. My Model Y supposedly only has a battery pack that is 78.3kWh, so explain that one to me!
The 81kWh is the energy supplied to the car, not all of that energy makes it to the battery, some is lost as heat and some is used by the heat pump to manage the battery and electronics temperatures during the charging process (hence the steam you saw when charging).
 
so,
'23 M3P with 2023.6.11, - quick question to the Tesla experts.

1) Am i FSD compatible,
2) Do I purchase the monthly FSD sub for my next road trip ( i have full EAP sub )
3) what is a real difference between the FSD and EAP on the road ( i understand it eventually will make a big difference for city driving, but just curious for road )
4) is every new tesla equipped with the hardware and as such, its just a matter of purchasing the sub, or does one have to get the "FSD ready" unit ( im a bit confused on that)

Thanks in advance
 
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so,
'23 M3P with 2023.6.11, - quick question to the Tesla experts.

1) Am i FSD compatible,
2) Do I purchase the monthly FSD sub for my next road trip ( i have full AAP sub )
3) what is a real difference between the FSD and AAP on the road ( i understand it eventually will make a big difference for city driving, but just curious for road )
4) is every new tesla equipped with the hardware and as such, its just a matter of purchasing the sub, or does one have to get the "FSD ready" unit ( im a bit confused on that)

Thanks in advance
What is “AAP”? Do you mean EAP (Enhanced Auto Pilot)?

Also, I’ll ask the same question this way…
(because I, too, am curious)

Do we have HW3 or HW4 in our 2023 Model Y’s?
(Mine is Austin-built—in case that matters).
 
You both should qualify for getting FSD.

Start with the subscription so you can understand it before committing such a large amount of money to buy the full license.

As far as HW 3 vs 4, there are some articles showing the difference in the front camera but to date, I haven’t heard that those vehicles are getting anything special with FSD vs anyone else.

My 2017 MS with originally having HW 2.0 (now 3) has FSD.
 
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You both should qualify for getting FSD.

Start with the subscription so you can understand it before committing such a large amount of money to buy the full license.

As far as HW 3 vs 4, there are some articles showing the difference in the front camera but to date, I haven’t heard that those vehicles are getting anything special with FSD vs anyone else.

My 2017 MS with originally having HW 2.0 (now 3) has FSD.

Yes of course - i am not interested in full FSD subscription, rather monthly on need basis if there is a substantial difference.
I did purchase monthly once on my 3500 mile trip in march ( then i was on 2022.12.6 i think ) and FSD still was greyed out even tho i paid for it.