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That's the plan if we can get more progressives in the government. Corporate Dems won't do it.
Right - that is why they are so opposed to new green deal.

New Green deal's premise is very simple. You need to tackle climate change and income inequality together. One will not succeed without the other.

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That's the plan if we can get more progressives in the government. Corporate Dems won't do it.

I'm focused here on the Psychology of Republican voters. The Republican party has essentially become a cult and they only believe what the voices on their TV and radio tell them. The most rational, fact based person from outside the cult is automatically the enemy and they believe the enemy always has a sinister agenda to destroy the cult and its members.

Republican voters aren't going to accept anything Democrats tell them even if the idea will bring prosperity back to their communities until they are deprogrammed from the cult. The last time a cult this large was deprogrammed it took a world war and the complete destruction of the cult's country to shift the public out of cult thinking (Japan and Germany in WW II).

There is a documentary called The Brainwashing of My Dad about how the filmmaker's father went from a left of center Democrat to a nut job conservative when he watched Fox News too much. The Brainwashing Of My Dad

In the case of the filmmaker's father her mother hid the remote and forced him to watch things like nature documentaries instead and after a few weeks the crazy ideas began to leave his head.

The bulk of the Fox audience will die off in a decade or so because the average age of the audience is in their late 60s, but we don't have the time to wait for that and this propaganda is radicalizing a small but very violent group of young men.

Democrats are going to get nowhere, even with the most wonderful plans in the world in these places until the population is deprogrammed from the cult. Look at the ACA. Lots of Americans in polls said they opposed Obamacare, but when asked about the specific provisions in the ACA, large majorities were for it. That's the effect of the cult brainwashing.

Before these people are going to listen to anything reasonable they need to be deprogrammed and that's very difficult to do on a mass scale.
 
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I'm focused here on the Psychology of Republican voters. The Republican party has essentially become a cult and they only believe what the voices on their TV and radio tell them.
That's because most of the rational Republicans have either left the party or don't really support Trump at all. The truth is we don't need the brainwashed Trump base to "change their minds", they won't. Doesn't matter. Concentrate on the independents, former Republicans, and the Dems who didn't vote for Hillary last time. That's more than enough to make the difference.
 
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I'm focused here on the Psychology of Republican voters. The Republican party has essentially become a cult and they only believe what the voices on their TV and radio tell them. The most rational, fact based person from outside the cult is automatically the enemy and they believe the enemy always has a sinister agenda to destroy the cult and its members.

Republican voters aren't going to accept anything Democrats tell them even if the idea will bring prosperity back to their communities until they are deprogrammed from the cult. The last time a cult this large was deprogrammed it took a world war and the complete destruction of the cult's country to shift the public out of cult thinking (Japan and Germany in WW II).

There is a documentary called The Brainwashing of My Dad about how the filmmaker's father went from a left of center Democrat to a nut job conservative when he watched Fox News too much. The Brainwashing Of My Dad

In the case of the filmmaker's father her mother hid the remote and forced him to watch things like nature documentaries instead and after a few weeks the crazy ideas began to leave his head.

The bulk of the Fox audience will die off in a decade or so because the average age of the audience is in their late 60s, but we don't have the time to wait for that and this propaganda is radicalizing a small but very violent group of young men.

Democrats are going to get nowhere, even with the most wonderful plans in the world in these places until the population is deprogrammed from the cult. Look at the ACA. Lots of Americans in polls said they opposed Obamacare, but when asked about the specific provisions in the ACA, large majorities were for it. That's the effect of the cult brainwashing.

Before these people are going to listen to anything reasonable they need to be deprogrammed and that's very difficult to do on a mass scale.
My theory is frontal lobe disorder mostly affects Trump supporters. Or they always had racist leanings to begin with.
 
That's because most of the rational Republicans have either left the party or don't really support Trump at all. The truth is we don't need the brainwashed Trump base to "change their minds", they won't. Doesn't matter. Concentrate on the independents, former Republicans, and the Dems who didn't vote for Hillary last time. That's more than enough to make the difference.
Ignore former Republicans - they are mostly neocons who want to murder as many Brown people as possible in distant countries. No less racist than Trump's base.

The truth is - "racism" (or basically tribalism) is quite the norm. Its there in all countries, all ethnicities. Liberalism is the learned quality.

We are all naturally selfish - but we also have empathy gene. Depending on what triumphs, I guess we turn out to be liberal or racist.
 
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That's because most of the rational Republicans have either left the party or don't really support Trump at all. The truth is we don't need the brainwashed Trump base to "change their minds", they won't. Doesn't matter. Concentrate on the independents, former Republicans, and the Dems who didn't vote for Hillary last time. That's more than enough to make the difference.

It isn't necessary they cote Democrat, but if something isn't done to deprogram the cult members the country is headed for another civil war. We have a fairly large minority of this country's population is living in an alternate universe based on vile fiction.

My theory is frontal lobe disorder mostly affects Trump supporters. Or they always had racist leanings to begin with.

From what I know about neuroscience people in the sort of state a lot of Republicans are in actually have less activity in the frontal lobes. If you could get more activity in the frontal lobes they will likely start to break out of the cult mind set.

Ignore former Republicans - they are mostly neocons who want to murder as many Brown people as possible in distant countries. No less racist than Trump's base.

The truth is - "racism" (or basically tribalism) is quite the norm. Its there in all countries, all ethnicities. Liberalism is the learned quality.

We are all naturally selfish - but we also have empathy gene. Depending on what triumphs, I guess we turn out to be liberal or racist.

From what I've seen of ex-Republicans most are ex-Republicans because they have some serious ethical/moral problems with what's going on in the Republican party. David Jolly came out a few days ago telling people to only vote for Democrats, Joe Scarburough is the one who coined the Moscow Mitch term, and Rick Wilson has over and over again said what he considers "conservative values" to be. He's been a loyal Republican until Trump, but his politics are closer to a moderate Democrat than the Republicans over the last 20 years.

Technically I'm an ex-Republican (my family is Republican and I initially registered as a Republican in 1984). I had my doubts by 1988 and left during the early George HW Bush administration. The last US war that I think was unambiguously clearly justified was WW II. I thought there was a case for going into Afghanistan if GW Bush was going to stick to a narrow objective and finish the job quickly, but I knew they were going to screw it up and they did.
 
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Ignore former Republicans - they are mostly neocons who want to murder as many Brown people as possible in distant countries. No less racist than Trump's base.
Sorry but I know enough of them to know this is not the case. Even those who might be inclined to murder some brown people hate Trump enough to vote against him. Some of these people I was sure were Trump supporters until they informed me otherwise. And these are mostly older life long Republicans.
 
Racism has brewed throughout the history of mankind, four hundred thousand or so years. My direct male bloodline pretty much ends with me. Think Stone Henge and you’ll have an idea of my last name and a massive peaceful community effort. Think of the King George War; William and John my great Uncle and Grandfather fired the first shots or as I call it “murders of war.” Karma kind of plaid a role here too. Documentaries in those days are found lacking, cause I am here. During the Civil War, our color was blue.

In June of 1970, my sermon as an Army Specialist E-4 was on “love” ~ you know the word opposite of hate. So, I think it safe to say that over the four hundred plus or minus thousands of years, hate has raised its ugly head from time to time. In the eighties after I was commissioned I began to hear whispers of “the south will rise again.” Because I believed in truth and justice, and the fact that a war had been fought, the Civil War, legally this was BS to me; the South could not rise again ~ RIGHT. Aha, the power of hate. President Nixon put into play the Southern Strategy. That is why Reagan and Trump switched from the Democratic party to the Republican party.

If you are astute, you will look around today and discover we are the Confederate States of America and not the United States of America ~ Bottom Line. Politically speaking, “Red is the new gray.” Our President and Generals won the Civil War, but they lost democracy. Sadly, I am the last surviving US Army Officer. Unlike my peers, I believe all men and women or if you choose, all women and men are born equal. Call me a fabricator of the truth, but be honest, you are afraid to look yourself in the mirror. We all have played capture the flag at one time in our youth. During the last presidential election, one candidate displayed proudly behind himself both the confederate flag, and the US flags as equals. How fast did the streets change before your eyes? Soon, the confederate flag was replaced with the US flag ~ I saw it, and it turned my stomach.

There is more, but I neither wish to bore you or be attacked yet one more time. I have solutions ~ but most (people) do not have the stomach, the band width or energy to seek out real solutions. They are too complacent with their trickledown down wealth.
 
Racism has brewed throughout the history of mankind, four hundred thousand or so years. My direct male bloodline pretty much ends with me. Think Stone Henge and you’ll have an idea of my last name and a massive peaceful community effort. Think of the King George War; William and John my great Uncle and Grandfather fired the first shots or as I call it “murders of war.” Karma kind of plaid a role here too. Documentaries in those days are found lacking, cause I am here. During the Civil War, our color was blue.

In June of 1970, my sermon as an Army Specialist E-4 was on “love” ~ you know the word opposite of hate. So, I think it safe to say that over the four hundred plus or minus thousands of years, hate has raised its ugly head from time to time. In the eighties after I was commissioned I began to hear whispers of “the south will rise again.” Because I believed in truth and justice, and the fact that a war had been fought, the Civil War, legally this was BS to me; the South could not rise again ~ RIGHT. Aha, the power of hate. President Nixon put into play the Southern Strategy. That is why Reagan and Trump switched from the Democratic party to the Republican party.

If you are astute, you will look around today and discover we are the Confederate States of America and not the United States of America ~ Bottom Line. Politically speaking, “Red is the new gray.” Our President and Generals won the Civil War, but they lost democracy. Sadly, I am the last surviving US Army Officer. Unlike my peers, I believe all men and women or if you choose, all women and men are born equal. Call me a fabricator of the truth, but be honest, you are afraid to look yourself in the mirror. We all have played capture the flag at one time in our youth. During the last presidential election, one candidate displayed proudly behind himself both the confederate flag, and the US flags as equals. How fast did the streets change before your eyes? Soon, the confederate flag was replaced with the US flag ~ I saw it, and it turned my stomach.

There is more, but I neither wish to bore you or be attacked yet one more time. I have solutions ~ but most (people) do not have the stomach, the band width or energy to seek out real solutions. They are too complacent with their trickledown down wealth.

I've mentioned it before, but there is a book called American Nations that covers this.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Nat...rican+nations&qid=1565649339&s=gateway&sr=8-1

The current Republican coalition is made up of three of the US nations (cultures) of the 11 the book documents. The ring leader is the Deep South which has been one of the poles of American politics for a couple of hundred years. they are allied with Appalachia and what Woodward calls the Far West, which is the interior west stretching from around longitude 100W to the Cascades in the North and the Coast Range in California.

The three cultures have different drives, but the Deep South has bamboozled the other two into voting for Deep South interests. The Deep South was founded by plantation owners from Barbados who ran out of room and moved to the mainland. When they arrived there was a hippie colony in Savannah, Georgia, but otherwise the South was only settled by Native Americans.

The Deep South was slave from the start and their utopia was an apartheid culture with a few rich white men on top, a second class made up of poor white people, and a mass of slaves from Africa. The culture in the Handmaids Tale is much closer to the Deep South ideal than anything that would ever happen in New England.

The other coalition in American history has been centered on the New England centered Yankee culture (which spread westward across the northern Midwest). This is the progressive culture that was most anti-slavery and has driven a lot of the progressive movements in US history. They are currently allied with El Norte Spanish culture along the US Mexico border, the Left Coast (strip along the coast from Los Angeles on up into Canada including the I-5 corridor in Oregon and Washington), new Netherlands (New York city area) and recently the Midlands (a strip starting at Philadelphia and extending west through Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, then expanding to take up most of Iowa and hooking north into Canada).

The New England Yankees and Deep South have been locked in a political ideological war for generations. One culture or the other has controlled the national political narrative at one time or another. From 1932 to 1980 it was the Yankees with the New Deal and the civil rights movement. Since 1980 it's been the Deep South trying to return to the days of the robber barons and stripping away all the advances of the New Deal and civil rights.

The Deep South white culture has racism baked into the cake and both Appalachia and the Far West have some racism too because they battled the natives for the territory they currently control.

There is also a bit of human nature in all this too. Humans tend to be xenophobic about the unknown and fear "the Other". Throughout American history various cultures have faced a period of xenophobic discrimination until they integrated and people forgot they were "other". It happened with the Irish, Jewish immigrants, Eastern European, Southern Europeans, Asians, etc. The Chinese Exclusion Act was the first immigration law passed in the US and it was the only one on the books for a few decades.

Hispanics have always been in the SW US. Some families were there before the US existed as a country (Eva Longoria comes from one of these families). There have also been other pockets of Hispanics like Cubans in south Florida and Puerto Ricans in New York, but large swaths of the country had no Hispanics. The more liberal parts of the country don't have much issue with Hispanics moving in (it's not an issue in Portland). But there are many areas that are going through culture shock at Hispanic immigration.

I once worked with someone who had grown up in North Dakota and she said she never saw a non-white person until she went to college. She had seen them on TV of course, but she found it weird the first time she saw one in person. She was quite liberal and ran herself into the ground volunteering for various charities around Seattle in her spare time. But she knew plenty of people back home who were xenophobic about the unknown others.

Add to that the fact that whites in the US are going through a demographic shift from the majority culture to just a largest plurality. There is fear among whites who have never lived around non-whites that it could be a bad thing for them. The whole "you shall not replace us" chant of the white supremacists comes from this fear.

I grew up in Los Angeles and never went to a school that was more than 15% white until college and it was OK. Being the only white person around was normal for me. So I have a different perspective on the browning of America. Things may change, but it will be OK.

So there are two prongs to American racism, one is backed deep into the culture and it's going to be tough to root out with some people and the other is a culture shock from integrating a new ethnic group and the overall culture usually gets over it in a generation or two.
 
It will probably turn off more leftists than convert Republicans.

Remember Clinton got a series of ex-CIA types to campaign for her.

Turns out she lost because a lot of lefties and POC stayed home / voted for Jill Stein.

Because they all thought she was going to win anyway. Everything I've seen shows that isn't happening this time. Among those who stayed home or voted third party there is a lot of guilt they helped make this disaster happened. We had dinner with one last night. He's a moderate conservative by nature, but he's sounding downright liberal these days.

What turned off people to Clinton was her personality. Every contender in the Democratic field this time is more likeable.
 
@wdolson I was born outside the box; and was never allowed in:p ~ proud of being on the outside:cool: I appreciate and value your perspective.

I have always taken people at face value ~ for good or bad. For those that worked for me; as long as they performed the job to my satisfaction, I was happy with them, if not I helped them find the door. I used to joke that I had eleven notches on my forty-five for each officer I showed the door. I no longer look back with pride, just think I could have done a better job. The one officer I did not show the door, was a marine peer (same year group). He publicly attacked me and I refer to my response as, "I cut his man tool off with a dull knife, put the nasty thing in a blender, and fed it back to him as a fruit smoothieo_O" The old saying, "it is not nice to mess with mother nature:rolleyes:"

My tale of two First Sergeants; both black men, and both from two completely different commands. My first First Sergeant in my first command was to die for, he was everything a commander wanted in a First Sergeant. While my second First Sergeant in my second command was the proverbial newly promoted soldier into the ranks of sergeant and could not separate himself from his friends and the required responsibility of the rank. As I look back over my military officer career, not the enlisted portion, there isn't a white NCO that stands out as filling Willie's shoes. Flip side, out of my enlisted career side, out of six chaplains (officers); only one was close to what I envisioned a spiritually guided man would qualify. FYI ~ I served one Methodist, two Southern Baptist, two Catholics and one Jewish Rabbi. I was their aide and hired gun. After that exposure to religion, I found the door:rolleyes:

We as humans, must justify our actions ~ any and all actions. Soldiers required to kill another human must make a villein of the enemy. Hence Blue-Belly (me) or Johnny Reb. That is how you win and capture the other guys flag.

I have always been the villain. I am hated by the other-side because I am progressive, liberal, and opinionated:D I fly under the radar, doing almost anything I want to do trying not to harm others (I have crashed and burned many times). It is when another individual wants to do something that takes my rights or someone else's rights away when they are doing no harm; that is when I get ~ hum, pissed off.

When I say I am no one; do not underestimate me as having low self-esteem. No, from my perspective there are millions of people and my ego does not require that I be the one everyone must talk about, you know, like Trump. I have had my fifteen seconds of fame; you know, when I conned my wife into falling in love with me:cool:
 
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I realy enjoy both of you folks and love reading what you write.
If @wdolson or @DragonWatch write a book let me know. I will buy it.

I have thought about it. One thing the country needs right now is a good book on the history of the party systems because we're on the cusp of a change and those poised to get the reigns for the next 30 years should understand what's happening. I did think about putting such a book together, but life caught up with me and I'm way behind on several other projects that need attention first. :(

Mark Blyth - imho, he has an amazing skill of explaining what happened and is happening in the world today


Interesting and entertaining too. I agree with him.
 
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