I would argue that the hardest SCs to spot while under construction are not those in rural areas but those in the densest urban areas such as in underground parking garages as these are likely to be walled off completely until they are finished. Outdoor sites are generally only fenced and are very visible. This is why the Ottawa Rideau Centre and Toronto - Bay Street SCs were not found until they were completed.
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Well, I think the people in the infrastructure departments of the government and the people in charge o permits should know what is being planned. When I speak to theses people, they say nothing is being done. No supercharges anywhere in Ontario other than the ones already being built. No permits. no construction, no plans. Look, Im Just the messenger. I’m not telling you what this means. I’m just saying that I am being told no , no, no. What is it to them to lie. I want it to mean yes, yes, yes.
The point being made above is that the permitting would be with local municipalities, not with the province of Ontario. What ministry (or ministries) do you mean when you say "infrastructure departments"? MTO? I don't think they would get advance plans about what a private company like Tesla is doing. I suspect they have no idea if Shell is building any new gas stations, nor would they have any idea if Tesla is building SCs.
Well, I was talking to the local communities. However, i hope Tesla is doing something that the local departments know nothing about. I will be happy when some of these permits turn up. So far nothing and everyone is saying, “duh.”
You talked to over a dozen communities ranging from Kenora to Renfrew? That must have been fun.
1.21 Jiggawatts
Member
I'm having the same experience in Saskatchewan. Most municipalities have no idea of what I'm asking about. Saskpower won' talk about it, and neither will Tesla unfortunately.
Saskatchewan is a small market for Tesla no doubt, but there are millions of dollars worth of cars coming to this province. A little more transparency would be nice
Saskatchewan is a small market for Tesla no doubt, but there are millions of dollars worth of cars coming to this province. A little more transparency would be nice
1.21 Jiggawatts
Member
Im glad to see some other proactive people out there. Nothing wrong with that!
One of the main reasons I ordered my model 3 was the supercharger network.
One of the main reasons I ordered my model 3 was the supercharger network.
mknox
Well-Known Member
That's exactly right. The Ontario government has nothing to do with this type of thing, and in a lot of cases, even the municipal government may not be aware. At the end of the day, these are simply mid-sized commercial electricity services without a building around it. The best source of info would come from the Local Distribution Company (electric utility) but even they probably won't divulge information for confidentiality reasons.
This is obviously inaccurate. Local cities/towns have jurisdiction for building permits etc., not the province. So they would have no idea.
Please cite your sources.
Actually called the cities. The city planning departments should now. I still hope I am wrong. I am just telling you what they told me. Please find some department that says it differently.
You called ALL the cities? Seems unlikely.
Also does it apply to all situations? I was looking out for a site plan application to Ottawa, but the Rideau Centre Supercharger was only recognized during construction.
mknox
Well-Known Member
That's right. My guess is that the municipalities do not really have much visibility into this as most are situated on private property when the host agrees to providing some space to Tesla. The electric utilities will know for sure because to them, this is no different than any other commercial electricity service application. Service applications would come in many months in advance as planning needs to be undertaken to ensure capacity, ability to supply, costs and so forth. However, the utility cannot share this information for confidentiality reasons and I can assure you from firsthand experience (I worked for over 35 years in the utility sector before retiring at the end of 2015) that Tesla tells the utility to keep quiet.
In some jurisdictions they would have to submit a site plan, which would be publicly available. Rules seem to vary. But that would only apply to outdoor installations.
mknox
Well-Known Member
I suppose it's possible, but I certainly didn't submit any site plans for the L2 outdoor installations I was involved in installing. Just electrical permits. I doubt municipalities make any distinction between L2 and DCFC, let alone even know what the difference is themselves. One possibility might be if the property owner was registering an easement for Tesla and/or the electric utility to service the area.
I've seen site plan drawings for a couple of Supercharger installations, so it definitely happens in some jurisdictions.
No way that would ever happen for an L2. It's just a post and a box.
No way that would ever happen for an L2. It's just a post and a box.
mknox
Well-Known Member
Yeah, now that you mention it, I did see site plan drawings for Kingston back before it went in.
