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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
- Thread starter Daniel L
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In all fairness I only got 448 KW once. The car was about 8 months old and I only had about 6000 miles on it. Battery degradation was minimal back then. That was also with absolutely perfect battery optimization. 100% SOC and perfect temperatures.
I had 461 KW for max discharge at that point. That was the only time I ever made a pass with that high a max discharge value. That pass was an 11.27 without any interior weight reductions. It just had lighter 18” wheels and nothing else.
My recent passes top out at 436 KW for max combined realtime power. Degradation seems to have taken it down a notch but it is still pretty quick.
Sure. The cars I have tested usually come straight from delivery, then SUV V3 to 100% and then to the Autobahn, which is 300m away. Wire winding cars with 3D1 in the back would go to 435kW and hairpin cars with 3D6 in the back to just below 430kW. As full and warm as they will go.
I've wondered for the difference to BMS max discharge for a while, as the LG Performance will hit that exact number and the Panasonic just won't, but then it makes sense to limit the Panasonic on a market that also has the LG as competition. The US doesn't, so that is my only logical explanation, but I would like to see other cars perform above 435-436kW as well. Your current numbers look like what I've come to expect from these cars.
I wonder if the Ludicrous Model 3 will be much less sensitive to battery temperature? Maybe they will find a better way to get high max discharge values without heating the battery so much? That alone would be a big improvement.
I don't think there's anything that can be done in that respect. What would be nice is adjustable preheating so you could set SOC and battery temp for a departure time.
What is the peak current and power that the front motor will allow? Even my very best run had a 266 KW peak rear motor value. However, I have seen right at 200 KW consistently for the front motor. Is that more than the MIC inverters should allow?
I wonder if the US based front inverters are different from everywhere else. It seems like the US cars pull really hard with the front motors.
I ran another simulation with just replacing the rear motor and this is what I am getting.
This is a race against the current 100% stock Model 3 Performance. These numbers look completely reasonable to me.
This is a race against the current 100% stock Model 3 Performance. These numbers look completely reasonable to me.
That 60ft would be amazing if Tesla can deliver.I ran another simulation with just replacing the rear motor and this is what I am getting.
This is a race against the current 100% stock Model 3 Performance. These numbers look completely reasonable to me.
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Most people would consider that 60’ to be poor. Guys in my area are doing 1.60 60’ times with 4,000 lb Kia cars now.
I have done a 1.73 60’ in my current Model 3 performance before.
So the Model 3 Performance is being revealed today after the Rivian R2?
Tiger
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- Front 3D3 is always limited to 335V x 630A = 211kW
- Rear 3D1 is always limited to 320V x 840A = 269kW
- Front 203kW
- Rear 267kW
- Max Combined 435kW
A EU spec M3P 2021 with Panasonic completely stock with a cold pack and not at 100% does 11.7-11.8s on the 1/4 mile. There are countless of these runs on the carwow Youtube Channel.
A friend of mine has the 2022 M3P with LG pack. So he is 20kW down on power to the Panasonic, but with 18" wheels and stiffer springs did 11.5s 1/4 on a proper 1/4 strip with official printout and everything. A similarly prepped 2021/2022 M3P with Panasonic should be able to do 11.3-11.4s then.
Being blessed with public unrestricted Autobahn I only value 100-200kph times ;-)
I guess I am confused then. Where does the 158 KW front motor spec come from in this post?
This is my best time with a 100% stock 2022 Model 3 Performance. This is with about 94% SOC but good battery temperatures.
It is confusing indeed, but let me explain...
Tesla, when registering their cars in Europe, need to file different power levels for their cars with the authorities.
Some figures are published in the way that they are printed into the certification documents, which are then handed out to the customers. This is also the power that insurances are basing their calculations on.
- Model 3 Performance with any Panasonic 2019-2022 and any rear motor (3D1/3D6) is always rated at 158kW Front Power + 219kW Rear Power = 378kW Total Power.
- Model 3 Performance with LG battery pack 2022-2023 always comes with the 3D6 in the rear, but it is rated 158kW Front + 235kW Rear = 393kW
Model 3 Performance 2022 - Panasonic vs. LG
Dieser erste Beitrag wird stetig um neue Daten und Erkenntnisse erweitert. Hintergrund Das Model 3 Performance 2022 wurde beim Wechsel von Quartal 1 auf Quartal 2 signifikant verändert! Der in Q4/2020 eingeführte Panasonic 3L 82kWh NCA Akku wurde durch den in Q4/2021 eingeführten LG Chem...
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Now, what Tesla' needs to report to the authorities, but isn't released to the public are absolute limits, operating voltages, torque and power figures at different motor rpm and so on...
- Performance Motors = 3D1/3D6 = 320V Operating Voltage x Current Limit 840A = 269kW
- Base Motors = 3D5/3D7 = 335V Operating Voltage x Current Limit 655A = 220kW
- New Performance Motor 4D2 = 320V (Performance Operating Voltage) x 950A = 304kW
Although...weirdly Tesla claims lower power and torque figures in the US, when I compare my EPA Tables with those from the EU authorities.
Also, Tesla won't explain why they go above their claimed motor limits like when a 378kW M3P pushes 435kW in CANBUS. These numbers are too far apart to be expected losses in during conversion and drive train.
in some markets they also report the 30min average power.
so its possible that what they report as apparent peak power, is actually 1min peak power, or some other lower sustained value.
i tried digging through some govt docs but havent found anything official.
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It doesn't look like Lars and Franz are going to talk M3P.
"Can you explain the platform safety architecture?" Zzzzzz...
"Can you explain the platform safety architecture?" Zzzzzz...
WhiteOnWhiteMY
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I think we'll all be asleep by the time Lars and Franz are done tooting their own horn.
